Here are a couple sentences from Gunther Schuller's Early Jazz that sum up JPJ pretty well: "Johnson's musical antecedents, of course, were ragtime, and like Morton, James P. transformed that earlier, composed-written style into jazz by the infusion of blues, by the introduction of a more swinging rhythmic conception, and, lastly, through th concept of improvisation. These achievements are considerable enough, but they were projected in terms of a sure-fire pianistic technique that surpassed that of all of his predecessors."
Joplin was a ragtime artist, and ragtime is not usually considered a part of jazz. Blake started in ragtime, and played jazz later, but his influence as a jazz artist is less that that of JPJ.
i guess if influence is the criteria miles deserves #3 (though isn't most of his influence non-jazz?) & as great as coltrane is i'm confused how he got ahead of dizzy, monk, mingus, basie, art tatum, bud powell (the fuck is he doing behind stan getz? he is also much better and more influential than herbie hancock if we consider only jazz).
Influence is about half of the criteria. Most of Miles' influence is on jazz. He was the most important figure in the development of modal jazz and fusion, and one of the most important figures in developing cool jazz.
Coltrane is very high because of his very high reputation for excellence, with a large amount of classic recordings. Bud Powell should probably be ahead of Hancock, Fletcher Henderson probably should be too, and possibly ahead of Getz, but Getz was first influential on cool jazz, and later merged bossa nova with jazz, while releasing classic material over 20 years, and continued at a solid level for some time after that. Powell was only really on top of his game for about 5 years.
why is max roach at 54? if we're talking influence here
You mean why isn't he higher or why isn't he lower?
chick corea's cool and all but he's not list material, i'd really say the same about dolphy though he's one of my personal favorites (been looking for some more shit he did with mingus but the internet hates jazz). i mean you forewent nat king cole for those guys? talk about a big name
Cole is definitely a bigger name and a more important popular music artist, but his period as a jazz artist was brief, and he is best known for his pop records that probably shouldn't be considered jazz.
are we doing considering composers? like uh gershwin?
The list doesn't include any composers unless it's a composer that's totally identified with jazz, like Billy Strayhorn. Gershwin, like Irving Berlin, Cole Porter & others, is a writer of standards that were often used as material by jazz artists.
don't know how much of glenn miller's stuff you're considering jazz & thus incorporating into his ranking but he's obviously top twenty material in terms of influence on jazz
The reason Miller isn't higher is that he's barely jazz, pop jazz you might say. It might be that he really fits in better in honorable mention.
cool list though! some new heads for me to check out on it