I know about the original one after 909 it was written prior to 1963
Then why did you list it as an example of later Beatles songwriting being influenced by Berry? Were you lying?
it was released in 1963 sounding like chuck berry
Actually, it wasn't released at that time.
correct it was recorded around that time, it was never released I am talking about the fast version of one after 909
,really revolution with its guitar intro and choppy rhythm thats a chuck influenced 50s style song, listen to you cant catch me , the line here comes old flat top came from there
That's "Come Together". "Revolution" has no such line. The guitar playing on "Revolution" owes a debt to Chuck Berry--there's no question that Berry is huge as a guitar player and Dylan is not--but the songwriting has much more to do with Dylan. Listen to the slow version and that's even more apparent.
the slow version still has that intro and the choppy guitar rhythm, I knew that was come together , I should have written that out clearer.
the way the verses are sung by lennon he got from chuck berry not dylan for come together, in fact I can see that same song influencing bob dylans tombstone blues, get back has chucks rockabilly rhythm and guitar lead licks thru out whole song
Again, guitar playing isn't songwriting. And "rockabilly" is more characteristic of Carl Perkins or Scotty Moore than Berry, although I certainly don't have a problem with saying that the guitar playing on "Get Back" is influenced by Chuck Berry.
moron , writing riffs and guitar intros etc, thats song writing, so I guess if i write a whole song on guitar with no lyrics I did not write a song , I am not a song writer ,right?.
,as for I saw her standing there check out talking to you , the bassline is ISHST, you never even listened enough to chuck berry , anyone who follows him can hear the influence clear as day,its chuck not little richard,
"Little Richard's influence pervaded The Beatles' songwriting to the extent that such hits as 'I Saw Her Standing There' and 'I'm Down' were composed as a tribute to his unique style."
listen to talking to you by chuck berry , anyone ever hear both listen to you and I saw her standing there, can anyone else comment on this.
That's from the liner notes to Paul McCartney's album Choba B CCCP. The notes were written by Beatles expert Roy Carr and obviously approved by McCartney himself. You think you know more about the subject than they do?
roy carr is an idiot than, listen to im talking to you , its obvious it came from chuck berry.
listen to too much monkey business sounds like subterrianian homesick blues, it was a forerunner to subterrian , bob dylan himself said so, wow you have never even heard berry apart from probaly 3 songs, you are not even qualified to rank him,
No shit, "Subterranean Homesick Blues" was influenced by Chuck Berry. We weren't even talking about that song, and I never denied that Dylan was influenced by Berry. Why you think that bringing up something we weren't talking about means that I don't know what I'm talking about is beyond me.
buddy hollys oh boy influenced by chuck berry, and back in the usa was inspiration for back in the ussr the beatles themselves said so, surfin usa by the beach boys is sweet little sixteen ,brian wilson himself said so. chuck had a huge influence on the beach boys as well, not so much dylan, the stones hugely influenced by chuck , more so than dylan, and dylan himself was influenced by chuck NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
Chuck Berry was influenced by Charles Brown, not the other way around. But Chuck Berry was a much greater songwriter than Charles Brown.
Lennon and McCartney were influenced by Carl Perkins, not the other way around. But Lennon and McCartney were much, much greater songwriters than Carl Perkins.
And, yes, there's no doubt that Berry was the biggest influence on the Beach boys, and that Dylan's influence on them was minimal. No one's disputing that Berry is one of the most influential songwriters in rock--we're comparing two of the top songwriters to see who should be ranked higher. Again, do you really want me to start listing songwriters who were more influenced by Dylan? please list these guys ,list the ones that are not simultaneously influenced by chuck.
The ramones were heavy influenced by chuck too, the stooges ac/dc and mc5 ,just the fact that chuck influenced BOB Dylan and not the other way makes it hard for dylan to rank ahead of him, as for popularity more people are covering chuck songs,like back in the usa, and johnny b goode, than things like desolation row and visions of johanna,
You're obviously picking and choosing to suit your point, picking two of Berry's biggest hits and comparing them to two middling-importance Dylan album tracks. Chuck has maybe ten songs or so that are widely recorded. Dylan has more--"Blowin' In The Wind", "Don't Think Twice It's All Right", "The Times They Are A-Changin''', "It Ain't Me Babe", "Like A Rolling Stone", "Mr. Tambourine Man", "I Shall Be Released", "Knockin' On Heaven's Door", "All Along The Watchtower", "I'll Be Your Baby Tonight", "It's All Over Now, Baby Blue", "Just Like A Woman", "You Ain't Goin' Nowhere", "Forever Young", "If Not For You", even the recent "Make You Feel My Love". And as you go deeper into Dylan's catalog you'll find more significant covers--yes, even of "Desolation Row" (a top twenty Modern Rock hit for My Chemical Romance in 2009, and a Grateful Dead concert staple) and "Visions Of Johanna" (also done by the Dead, along with Robyn Hitchcock, Marianne Faithfull, Chris Smither, and others).
Its questionable if that singer songwriter crap james taylor , and joni mitchell were doing is even considered rock, its certainly not more rock than punk.
It's not more rock than punk, but it's not really less rock than punk, either. They're clearly part of the world of rock and roll, and indeed the fact that they are is part of why Dylan is so important. Folk was its own thing, separate from rock, until Dylan came along. But Taylor and Mitchell aren't folk artists in the sense that pre-Dylan artists were.
I even wonder why singer song writers are included on ANY rock n roll lists, should we throw bob james on this list, he was doing that smooth jazz stuff which was an off set of funk
way to exaggerate dylans influence , paul did not get fool on the hill influences from dylan ,with those simple lyrics, and that emphasis on melody (bob was never that intricate or focused on melody , he put his emphasis on lyrics)
I don't know what you mean by "emphasis on melody", but while I was mostly thinking of the lyrical influence there, I don't see anything about the melody that isn't compatible with, say, "It Ain't Me Babe" or something.
those simple ass lyrics were not inspired by dylan ,
I am the walrus is dylan inspired for sure.
your ignorance is showing again, chuck was the rock n roll song writer , elvis put rock on the map , chuck was its song writer in the 50's
"Chuck was the rock n roll song writer"? What does that mean? What about Leiber and Stoller? Fats Domino and Dave Bartholomew? Little Richard? Buddy Holly? The Bryants? Pomus and Shuman?
I should have been clearer here, he is the definitive song writer of the 1950's
what!?, do you play instruments have you ever written a song ,? a production trick is overdubbing ala les paul , or wall of sound ala phil spector, thats a songwriting ,
No, the instruments you choose and the way you use them has NOTHING to do with songwriting. Otherwise cover versions would use the same instruments as the originals. If a piano player is influenced by what Fats Domino did on "Blueberry Hill", is he being influenced by Fats and Dave Bartholemew or by Vincent Rose?
yes they do , for instance you tell me if someone played the drums exactly the way gadd played them on 50 ways to leave your lover, or if someone took jimmy pages riff for whole lotta love, then page and gadd cant sue for copyright infringment because , they were just instruments and the chords lyrics and vocal melody mattered, if I came out with a song tomorrow with both the riff from whole lotta love and the drums for 50 ways , would you say i got from someone( gadd and page) or is it a completely original piece done by me.
you dont know enough about any of the 50' artists , I know what it is now, its ignorance and biased on your part, I will be arguing for the everly brothers next, I dont expect you to chime in that debate at all.
I know plenty about the 50s artists. You're making shit up.
you moron you think you do or read about them , how bout listening to the music, if you listened to chuck or at least enough ,you would know talking to you , was inspiration for i saw her standing there , and not little richard.