The new women's movement at the Rock Hall will get Odetta inducted. Sexual assault allegations might keep Afrika Bambaataa out. Michael Jackson is innocent.

That post was like poetry

The Rock Hall's Balancing Act
https://futurerocklegends.com/blog_file ... g_Act.html

Everything But The Music: Reacting To The Class Of 2022
https://rockhallmonitors.blogspot.com/2 ... l?spref=tw

How Elizabeth Cotten's music fueled the folk revival
https://www.npr.org/2022/06/29/11070908 ... lk-revival

OK, now what does any of that have to do with rock & roll?

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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/04/arts ... -gang.html

Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Curator Charged Over $1M Worth of Stolen Eagles Lyrics
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https://www.rollingstone.com/music/musi ... e-1381952/

Who is Craig Inciardi? Rock & Roll Hall of Fame curator accused of peddling stolen Eagles lyrics
https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment ... yrics.html

The contributions by the Kingston Trio to several genres of music are immeasurable. First, they were the first group to tour college campuses to promote music which today is a staple for performing musicians. Second, because of the popularity, Martin Guitars had to build another production facility to make enough guitars to fill the desire for budding guitar players. Their impact upon the guitar business is difficult to measure but nevertheless significant. Third, the Kingston Trio were instrumental in discovering songs that were overlooked by many..."The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face:", "It was A Very Good Year", "Get Together", "Honey", and even Led Zepplin covered their "Hangman" albeit differently on LZ III. and brought many songwriters into the limelight like Hoyt Axton, Gordon Lightfoot, and Rod McKewen just to name a couple. They kept Capitol Records afloat and were there when they signed the Beatles. These are just a few of the accomplishments of this group's contribution to music, including Rock and Roll. Those that ignore their significant influence on folk and rock and roll are not well versed in history or music.

Shots fired!

Influence is always immeasurable. That doesn't mean it's particularly big.

All of the things you mention are either minor accomplishments, have more to do with popular music in general than with rock in particular or are simply wrong. Try again.

Cut him some slack, at least it was an original message and not a link.

Please identify these genres of music. Are you telling me that they have "immeasurable" influence on jazz, classical, and Latin music? Or the rock sub-genres of soul music, hip-hop, disco, punk rock, and heavy metal?



College campuses and their association with music is nothing new.

The Fisk Jubilee Singers, established in the 1870s at Fisk University in Nashville, Tennessee, became a world class phenomenon and helped preserve the African American spiritual into mainstream consciousness, even performing for then-president Ulysses S. Grant at the White House and for royalty abroad, all the while garnering major acclaim in the process. Again, a musical group formed in college that toured and raised money for their college, whether that was touring at American venues like Oberlin College in Ohio or performing overseas in Berlin or London.

There were already "college circuits" where performers played well before The Kingston Trio. The jazz legend Bix Beiderbecke's music was popular in college campuses before his untimely death in 1931. The California Ramblers, an American jazz band which is notable because it featured great jazz musicians who passed through its ranks such as Red Nichols and The Dorsey Brothers, were popular with college crowds around that same time. The great Casa Loma Orchestra were also hard hitters with the college folks. The luminary Dave Brubeck saw huge success with this college crowd and even released an LP in 1954 called Jazz Goes To College, which was a smash hit and remains an evergreen in popular music…long before The Kingston Trio scored big in 1958. The appeal of jazz music to college crowds would continue with artists such as the Modern Jazz Quartet and venues like The Village Vanguard in Greenwich Village (which had some legendary performances committed to vinyl) around the same time frame The Kingston Trio peaked.

Additionally, minstrelsy and blackface performances, a dominant form of entertainment in the US since the 1800s well into the 20th century, was a popular staple at college campuses in the US, despite their racist depictions and connotations.

Many universities in the US had marching bands before 1900, and competition from a local, regional, state, and national standpoint were already in motion before World War II began, again, before The Kingston Trio were even conceived.



The seminal blues artist Josh White, in fact, influenced The Kingston Trio, particularly Bob Shane to pick up and refine the Martin six-string "dreadnought guitar" that he would be so closely aligned with. Again, this is the same Josh White who influenced scores of important folk music artists, ranging from Pete Seeger, The Clancy Brothers & Tommy Makem, Lonnie Donegan, Bob Dylan...to the "folk-blues" giants such as Brownie McGhee, Richie Havens, and Odetta...to rock artists such as Roger McGuinn, John Fogerty, and David Crosby.

So yes, while Bob Shane gets credit where it is due, analyze him in the realm of rock music and the guitar business in association with rock and roll...and compare him to the obvious contributions of figures such as Leo Fender and Les Paul to the music...and in popular music in general.



And they weren't the first nor only in folk music. An artist like Lead Belly introduced important songs that became part of the folk music repertoire, such as "Irene/Goodnight, Irene" (later remade by The Weavers), "Cotton Song/Cotton Fields," etc., the same with artists such as Pete Seeger, Woody Guthrie, and others, before The Kingston Trio was formed.

Yes, The Kingston Trio get credit for popularizing tunes such as Pete Seeger's "Where Have All the Flowers Gone" and the traditional "Tom Dooley" (the latter, their most important recording, already had several versions out by different artists throughout the years before The Kingston Trio hit #1 US in 1958 with their recording.)



Capitol Records in the 1950s boasted acts such as the Andrews Sisters, Dean Martin, Frank Sinatra, etc., and included Les Paul in its roster. Speaking of Sinatra, please don't tell me that his hit albums in the early 1960s, including the #1 US Nice 'n' Easy, which is a classic, under Capitol Records did not keep "Capitol Records afloat."

It's already common knowledge in rock music that Capitol Records initially passed on The Beatles (essentially because of their "British") and that a black-owned record label, Vee-Jay Records, picked them up for release in America. Obviously, Capitol Records started to become interested in The Beatles and could do so much more for them than the small Vee-Jay label could handle.



That's patently absurd.

"Folk music" is broad anyway, especially when applied to an international context.

One only needs to know that The Kingston Trio do not measure up to the many other artists that have been slighted by the RRHOF as an influence on rock music's creation and evolution...that are actually deserving.

https://futurerocklegends.com/Statistics/

THE 2023 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES
BASED ON ELIGIBLE ARTISTS WITH THE MOST VOTES
ON FUTURE ROCK LEGENDS

01. Devo
02. Jethro Tull
03. King Crimson
04. Emerson, Lake & Palmer
05. Mariah Carey
06. Alice In Chains
07. Backstreet Boys
08. Blink-182
09. Nickelback

WHAT FUTURE ROCK LEGENDS VOTERS
GOT RIGHT IN THE RECENT PAST

2022 - Duran Duran * Eminem
2021 - Foo Fighters
2020 - Whitney Houston * Depeche Mode * Nine Inch Nails
2019 - Janet Jackson * Radiohead
2018 - The Moody Blues * Bon Jovi
2017 - Yes * Journey
2016 - Chicago * Deep Purple
2015 - Green Day
2014 - Kiss * Nirvana
2013 - Rush