100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)

McMurphy · **Posted:** Sun May 20, 2012 5:21 pm

Brian wrote:

Echoes wrote:

Brett Alan wrote:

Echoes wrote:

That is totally subjective.

What we need is a more objective way to messure each criteria and establish parameters.

For example, for each category The Beatles and Elvis are at the very top. They are #1 and #2 in terms of popularity, influence, musical impact and cultural impact. So the parameter should be them. I mean for example, if The Beatles and Elvis are #1 in cultural impact they should get 5 points. The Rolling Stones have huge impact but they are not at the level of The Beatles or Elvis so they get 4 points.

Taking one's conclusions and translating them into numbers does not make them more objective.

I am not saying that we should take my conclusions or anybody's conclusions on particular.

I think that with a point system is more easy to reach a consensus between all the participants of this forum.

For example, without a point system is really hard to decide whom is greater between The Who and Led Zeppelin, but with a point system....

The Who
Popularity: 5 points
Influence: 3 points
Musical Impact: 5 points
Cultural Impact: 3 points

Total Score in points 16 points.
Final Score (%): 80%

Led Zeppelin:
Popularity: 5 points
Influence: 2 point
Musical Impact: 5 points
Cultural Impact: 2 points

Total Score in points 14 points.
Final Score (%): 70%

Or it could come out like this:

The Who
Popularity: 4 points
Influence: 4 points
Musical Impact: 4 points
Cultural Impact: 2 points

Total Score in points 14 points.
Final Score (%): 70%

Led Zeppelin:
Popularity: 5 points
Influence: 4 point
Musical Impact: 3 points
Cultural Impact: 2 points

Total Score in points 14 points.
Final Score (%): 70%

Maybe if we did it on a 10 point scale, we wouldn't run into a draw. Besides that, I think the number scale might be a better way of evaluating artists than what we've been doing. At the very least, its a good way to present an argument.

Brian · **Joined:** Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:52 pm **Posts:** 4300

If other people want to present their arguments in that way, that's fine, but for me it would be hard to translate performance in criteria into numbers.

ClashWho · **Posted:** Sun May 20, 2012 9:58 pm

pave wrote:

Yngtchie Blacksteen wrote:

He's right, tho, I always wondered what that little acoustic ditty near the end of the Help! album would've sounded like when covered by another musician.

I got a chuckle out of that, too, but then I realized that I've never heard any of the supposedly hundreds of covers of "Yesterday".

Brett Alan · **Joined:** Thu Oct 07, 2010 3:17 pm **Posts:** 6333

pave wrote:

Wilson Pickett's Hey Jude and Aerosmith's Come Together come to mind immediately.

Elton John's "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" hit number one.

Some other top 40 hits:

Oh Darling -- Robin Gibb (RIP)
You Won't See Me -- Anne Murray
Yesterday -- Ray Charles
Eleanor Rigby -- Aretha Franklin
She Came In Through The Bathroom Window -- Joe Cocker
I Saw Him Standing There - Tiffany
You've Got To Hide Your Love Away -- The Silkie
Magical Mystery Tour -- Ambrosia
A Hard Day's Night -- Ramsey Lewis
Here Comes The Sun -- Richie Havens

Zach · **Posted:** Sun May 20, 2012 11:33 pm

McMurphy wrote:

Maybe if we did it on a 10 point scale, we wouldn't run into a draw. Besides that, I think the number scale might be a better way of evaluating artists than what we've been doing. At the very least, its a good way to present an argument.

That's actually what I do with my lists. I use a 10-point scale.

pave · **Posted:** Mon May 21, 2012 1:26 am

ClashWho wrote:

pave wrote:

Yngtchie Blacksteen wrote:

He's right, tho, I always wondered what that little acoustic ditty near the end of the Help! album would've sounded like when covered by another musician.

I got a chuckle out of that, too, but then I realized that I've never heard any of the supposedly hundreds of covers of "Yesterday".

yeah this is true for me too. its one of those things that gets said a lot so the reference was funny to me, but i've never heard any cover of it. there are apparently versions from Marvin Gaye, Sinatra, Boys II Men, etc etc but usually it seems its just used as album filler.

Negative Creep · **Joined:** Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:21 pm **Posts:** 13572

Definitely NOT album filler in the case of Marvin. His version is phenomenal.

ClashWho · **Posted:** Mon May 21, 2012 7:31 am

Brian wrote:

There are quite a few artists that are close. What I'm thinking now is that I'll add Kanye, The Dominoes, Johnny Otis, Joe Turner, Whitney, and Guns 'n' Roses and drop The Sex Pistols, The Velvet Underground, Talking Heads, Frank Zappa, Chicago, and Yes.

Woah, Johnny Otis? He's not even in the Hall of Fame as a performer. And doesn't Joe Turner have one notable rock 'n' roll song?

Bruce · **Posted:** Mon May 21, 2012 8:59 am

ClashWho wrote:

And doesn't Joe Turner have one notable rock 'n' roll song?

Shake, Rattle and Roll
Chains Of Love
Flip, Flop and Fly
Honey Hush
Corrina, Corrina
Well All Right
Morning, Noon and Night
Boogie Woogie Country Girl
TV Mama
Hide And Seek
The Chicken and The Hawk

Your boy Haley covered 4-5 of them.

ClashWho · **Posted:** Mon May 21, 2012 9:17 am

Bruce wrote:

ClashWho wrote:

And doesn't Joe Turner have one notable rock 'n' roll song?

Shake, Rattle and Roll
Chains Of Love
Flip, Flop and Fly
Honey Hush
Corrina, Corrina
Well All Right
Morning, Noon and Night
Boogie Woogie Country Girl
TV Mama
Hide And Seek
The Chicken and The Hawk

Your boy Haley covered 4-5 of them.

I don't know about the others, but according to Wikipedia "Flip, Flop and Fly" is jump blues and "Corrina, Corrina" is blues.

Bruce · **Posted:** Mon May 21, 2012 9:21 am

ClashWho wrote:

Bruce wrote:

ClashWho wrote:

And doesn't Joe Turner have one notable rock 'n' roll song?

Shake, Rattle and Roll
Chains Of Love
Flip, Flop and Fly
Honey Hush
Corrina, Corrina
Well All Right
Morning, Noon and Night
Boogie Woogie Country Girl
TV Mama
Hide And Seek
The Chicken and The Hawk

Your boy Haley covered 4-5 of them.

I don't know about the others, but according to Wikipedia "Flip, Flop and Fly" is jump blues and "Corrina, Corrina" is blues.

Does this sound like blues to you?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2XJXT7N7gs[/youtube]

ClashWho · **Posted:** Mon May 21, 2012 9:24 am

I'll get back to you on that. I can't listen to stuff at work.

Bruce · **Posted:** Mon May 21, 2012 9:42 am

ClashWho wrote:

I'll get back to you on that. I can't listen to stuff at work.

Elvis famously did a live medley of "Shake" and "Flip" on an early TV appearance.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbc2an8PLU0[/youtube]

ClashWho · **Posted:** Mon May 21, 2012 9:51 am

Elvis covered "Blue Moon of Kentucky", too, but that doesn't make Bill Monroe a rock artist.

ClashWho · **Posted:** Mon May 21, 2012 9:58 am

Bruce wrote:

Does this sound like blues to you?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2XJXT7N7gs[/youtube]

Still haven't listened to it, but the Wikipedia page for "Corrine, Corrina" actually doesn't mention the Big Joe Turner version at all. Apparently it's not one of the more notable recordings of it. Says a lot about the Bob Wills version, though.

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