100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)

ClashWho · **Posted:** Sat May 12, 2012 6:41 pm

J.B. Trance wrote:

ClashWho wrote:

Talking Heads dominate them all in musical impact. They're easily the most highly-regarded American rock band of the late seventies and well into the eighties.

Actually, in the 1980s, (American or not), The Police were much more highly regarded in the early 1980s, and then U2 for the latter portion of the decade.

I said "American" for a reason.

J.B. Trance wrote:

Other much more highly regarded rock bands were Van Halen, Guns 'N Roses, etc.,

I don't think so. Eddie Van Halen was highly regarded as a guitarist, but the "hey, let's party" mindset of the band's lyrics meant few took them seriously as artists. The music of Talking Heads was regarded as art.

J.B. Trance wrote:

and in rock history, Public Enemy and Run-D.M.C. for the '80s alone.

At the time the likes of Gregg Allman were saying rap was short for crap. And he was far from alone.

J.B. Trance wrote:

What nationality the band is should have no bearing here.

Blondie and Talking Heads are both American and that's who we're comparing, so I don't know what point you think you're making.

J.B. Trance · **Joined:** Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:04 pm **Posts:** 733

Sampson wrote:

J.B. Trance wrote:

ClashWho wrote:

Sure, they're well regarded, but not Talking Heads level. At acclaimedmusic.net Blondie is #118 all-time. Very respectable. But Talking Heads are #25. That's huge.

Acclaimedmusic is incomplete, selective, and has many errors.

It's a good attempt in that it gauges some of the most acclaimed records and artists.

I could name many mainstream, important documents that are not even in the Website's rankings, including from Billboard's to Cashbox's critics lists to all sorts of lists compiled by Vibe, Goldmine, Jet, The Source, Blues & Soul, etc.

Not to mention it overloads on the same sources. There's almost 50 lists taken from Q and MOJO which are sister publications, so not only do those lists overlap each other, but they're the exact same viewpoints (and a prime reason why Radiohead does so well, since they were worshipped by the editors of both magazines, same with The Sex Pistols, who both British mags view as the most important thing since the Beatles... until Oasis came along). Not surprisingly, look at the rankings of those artists and you can see the correlation.

What acclaimedmusic.net wanted to do was fairly admirable and they've gone to great lengths to come up with a system of compiling it and have used tons of sources, but the problem is IN THE SOURCES. They lean so heavily towards certain areas and are almost exclusively opinion based (subjective) that you essentially just get a handful of critics personal favorites, of which apparently the Talking Heads were one of. That's not significant.

Their musical impact among other artists was indeed very strong, but not to the extent they trounce every other artist of their time. Blondie's respect among their peers was just as strong and they were more popular and influential.

Very true, Sampson.

gminer · **Joined:** Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:17 pm **Posts:** 2949

... and Blondie for the 80`s ... Take care

UK ALBUMS
1980: 4-32-53-0-0-252-333-352-344-271

UK SINGLES
1980: 2-101-111-0-0-0-0-0-337

US ALBUMS
1980: *9*-33-112-0-0-0-0-0-0-0

US SINGLES
1980: 12-20-170-0-0-0-0-0-0-0

ClashWho · **Posted:** Sat May 12, 2012 6:47 pm

gminer wrote:

U2

US ALBUMS
1980: 0-134-410-26-14-6-51-*1*-10-75

Wow, was The Unforgettable Fire really that big?

gminer wrote:

US SINGLES
1980: 0-194-137-221-0-*3*-59-109-0-161

That can't be right. How can "Pride", which missed the top thirty, put U2 way up at #3 for 1985 while the #1's "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For" and "With or Without You" only get them to #109 for 1987?

J.B. Trance · **Joined:** Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:04 pm **Posts:** 733

ClashWho wrote:

I said "American" for a reason.

Which doesn't have any relevance for "greatest" on this list.

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I don't think so. Eddie Van Halen was highly regarded as a guitarist, but the "hey, let's party" mindset of the band's lyrics meant few took them seriously as artists. The music of Talking Heads was regarded as art.

Not only were they were highly regarded but also more impacting and popular.

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The music of Talking Heads was regarded as art.

And so was the music of Van Halen and Guns 'N Roses. What one considers "art" is subjective and should have no bearing on this list.

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At the time the likes of Gregg Allman were saying rap was short for crap. And he was far from alone.

I was talking about in hindsight, hence why I said "in rock history" in relation to Run-D.M.C. and Public Enemy. Their profiles have risen considerably over the decades.

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Blondie and Talking Heads are both American and that's who we're comparing, so I don't know what point you think you're making.

You're not comparing them because they're American; you're comparing them because of similar musical styles and that they are solid competition against one another.

ClashWho · **Posted:** Sat May 12, 2012 6:56 pm

J.B. Trance wrote:

ClashWho wrote:

I said "American" for a reason.

Which doesn't have any relevance for "greatest" on this list.

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I don't think so. Eddie Van Halen was highly regarded as a guitarist, but the "hey, let's party" mindset of the band's lyrics meant few took them seriously as artists. The music of Talking Heads was regarded as art.

Not only were they were highly regarded but also more impacting and popular.

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The music of Talking Heads was regarded as art.

And so was the music of Van Halen and Guns 'N Roses. What one considers "art" is subjective and should have no bearing on this list.

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At the time the likes of Gregg Allman were saying rap was short for crap. And he was far from alone.

I was talking about in hindsight, hence why I said "in rock history" in relation to Run-D.M.C. and Public Enemy. Their profiles have risen considerably over the decades.

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Blondie and Talking Heads are both American and that's who we're comparing, so I don't know what point you think you're making.

You're not comparing them because they're American; you're comparing them because of similar musical styles and that they are solid competition against one another.

This is stupid. It's perfectly legitimate for me to point out that Talking Heads were regarded as America's best rock band while Blondie was not.

Machine Head · **Posted:** Sat May 12, 2012 6:56 pm

I have no idea where people are getting the idea that Van Halen and Guns 'N' Roses were more highly regarded than the Talking Heads. Does 'highly regarded' simply mean popular here? Because otherwise, there is no way U2, The Police, Van Halen, Run-D.M.C. or Guns 'N' Roses are anywhere near as highly regarded nowadays as the Heads. Public Enemy is closer than the rest but the Heads have got to be amongst the top 30 or so most acclaimed bands ever. Just for argument's sake, let's look at the highest album rankings each of these artists have over at RYM:
The Police: Synchronicity - rating of 3.72, #3565 overall (2,881 ratings)
Run-D.M.C.: Raising Hell - rating of 3.83, #2240 overall (1,441 ratings)
Van Halen: Van Halen - rating of 3.92, #620 overall (3,860 ratings)
U2: The Joshua Tree - rating of 3.87, #513 overall (8,201 ratings)
Guns 'N' Roses: Appetite for Destruction - rating of 3.83, #388 overall (8,595 ratings)
Public Enemy: It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back - rating of 4.06, #184 overall (4,575 ratings)
Talking Heads: Remain in Light - rating of 4.23, #33 overall (8,274 ratings)

Public Enemy is a good deal closer than the rest, like I said before, but the Heads absolutely stomp all over every single one of the artists that you guys (Sampson/J.B. Trance) are talking about and it is not even close. Like, I'm almost laughing out loud, it's such an unbelievably huge landslide win for the Heads.

J.B. Trance · **Joined:** Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:04 pm **Posts:** 733

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This is stupid. It's perfectly legitimate for me to point out that Talking Heads were regarded as America's best rock band while Blondie was not.

No, it's not stupid. Who cares what nationality the band is? You're comparing them for their styles of music and who ought to win.

That's like me trying to compare Bob Dylan and James Brown because one is white and the other is black.

Sampson · **Joined:** Thu Oct 14, 2010 3:35 pm **Posts:** 1657

Good job on the Blondie-Talking Heads comparison, Clash. Very professional and impartial, I'm impressed. The Musical Impact is one area where what someone personally value though can make a difference in how things are credited, which is what I think I see a little of. Referring later to Talking Heads music as "art" for instance. That was their aim, absolutely, but to others that can be seen as pretentious, it's how you view that goal. There are just as many musicians who like the Van Halen approach of reveling in decadence. As for Blondie though, their songwriting was very well respected among their peers and they were a musically tight unit as well. They were one of the first bands too that came out of the NY punk scene and tailored it for more mainstream consumption, which opened up the commercial possibilities of all artists, including Talking Heads.

Actually I think the slight edge would come down to what you said in the Cultural Impact area. Blondie was just a little bigger presence on the scene, they left a bigger footprint as a result (and the huge singles don't hurt, let's face it). But like I said, good job on it. The more people can do that - make their best case for someone other than the one they want higher - the more people will see all sides to the argument. Too bad more don't try it.

J.B. Trance · **Joined:** Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:04 pm **Posts:** 733

Machine Head wrote:

I have no idea where people are getting the idea that Van Halen and Guns 'N' Roses were more highly regarded than the Talking Heads.

Rate Your Music is just one source.

The fact that this alone is supposed to demonstrate that Talking Heads is highly regarded is just inaccurate.

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U2, The Police, Van Halen, Run-D.M.C. or Guns 'N' Roses are anywhere near as highly regarded nowadays as the Heads

Actually, we were talking about a specific time context. And no way are The Talking Heads more "highly regarded" than U2.

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Public Enemy is a good deal closer than the rest, like I said before, but the Heads absolutely stomp all over every single one of the artists that you guys (Sampson/J.B. Trance) are talking about and it is not even close.

They definitely do not "stomp all over" U2, for one.

Bruce · **Posted:** Sat May 12, 2012 7:08 pm

ClashWho wrote:

This is stupid. It's perfectly legitimate for me to point out that Talking Heads were regarded as America's best rock band while Blondie was not.

I was DJing at that time and also working in the music business. I never heard anybody refer to the Talking Heads as the best anything. I guess you're referring to music circles where people only really listen to white guitar oriented rock.

I recall Van Halen and Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers being better regarded at that time.

Sampson · **Joined:** Thu Oct 14, 2010 3:35 pm **Posts:** 1657

Machine Head wrote:

I have no idea where people are getting the idea that Van Halen and Guns 'N' Roses were more highly regarded than the Talking Heads. Does 'highly regarded' simply mean popular here? Because otherwise, there is no way U2, The Police, Van Halen, Run-D.M.C. or Guns 'N' Roses are anywhere near as highly regarded nowadays as the Heads. Public Enemy is closer than the rest but the Heads have got to be amongst the top 30 or so most acclaimed bands ever. Just for argument's sake, let's look at the highest album rankings each of these artists have over at RYM:
The Police: Synchronicity - rating of 3.72, #3565 overall (2,881 ratings)
Run-D.M.C.: Raising Hell - rating of 3.83, #2240 overall (1,441 ratings)
Van Halen: Van Halen - rating of 3.92, #620 overall (3,860 ratings)
U2: The Joshua Tree - rating of 3.87, #513 overall (8,201 ratings)
Guns 'N' Roses: Appetite for Destruction - rating of 3.83, #388 overall (8,595 ratings)
Public Enemy: It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back - rating of 4.06, #184 overall (4,575 ratings)
Talking Heads: Remain in Light - rating of 4.23, #33 overall (8,274 ratings)

Public Enemy is a good deal closer than the rest, like I said before, but the Heads absolutely stomp all over every single one of the artists that you guys (Sampson/J.B. Trance) are talking about and it is not even close. Like, I'm almost laughing out loud, it's such an unbelievably huge landslide win for the Heads.

Seriously? Rate Your Music? Can we have ANOTHER pointless subjective website for people to use as references? I mean, c'mon.

First off, it's personal opinion. Those are not other artists rating the music, it's fans. Secondly, look at the type of fans who go there. You have only 1441 people rating Run-D.M.C., then 8,275 people doing the Talking Heads. Just the sheer difference in how many people rate each one indicates who the website attracts.

The point is, it's not the ratings, it's who's making them and if you're going on RYM chances are you fit the demographic that Talking Heads appeal to. It doesn't make those people's opinions any less worthy than someone else's, but it does make all of those completely subjective opinions (of mostly fans of the artists) totally irrelevant to Musical Impact as seen by an artist's peers.

gminer · **Joined:** Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:17 pm **Posts:** 2949

ClashWho wrote:

gminer wrote:

U2

US ALBUMS
1980: 0-134-410-26-14-6-51-*1*-10-75

Wow, was The Unforgettable Fire really that big?

gminer wrote:

US SINGLES
1980: 0-194-137-221-0-*3*-59-109-0-161

That can't be right. How can "Pride", which missed the top thirty, put U2 way up at #3 for 1985 while the #1's "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For" and "With or Without You" only get them to #109 for 1987?

Sorry about that, didn`t notice when I put the search in starting at 1980 .... that run started at 1983 so missed the first two years at "0" entries .... this is how it should look ... Take care

US SINGLES
1980: 0-0-0-194-137-221-0-*3*-59-109

... notice Under a Blood Red Sky and the Unforgettable Fires`s chart runs are overlapping at that time in the US during the 80`s etc

UNDER A BLOOD RED SKY
Produced by: Jimmy Iovine
Date: 03/12/1983 - Run: *2*-6-7-17-17-
07/01/1984: 19- 6-8-8-8-8-11-12-12-15-14-22-19-19-20-19-25-28-24-35-40-43-47-53-53-52-65-51-46-53-52-57-44-51-36-45-47-30-17-25-30-26-34-38-43-61-59-62-67-64-63-61-
05/01/1985: 46-36-27-30-24-33-31-36-34-40-46-54-49-64-57-69-53-47-45-39-51-44-44-50-46-49-44-41-54-16-15-12-11-15-14-16-13-15-18-13-17-17-22-23-26-42-51-72-67-69-79-79-
04/01/1986: 62-46-55-42-33-49-46-35-35-47-47-69-53-52-55-74-69-73-63-65-74-69-56-63-71-62-70-68-59-43-43-43-53-60-56-56-76-70-63-63-82-0-77-66
Re 01: 10/01/1987: 89-0-93-0-93-100-0-0-95-67-48-51-34-49-50-57-57-56-87-76-72-72-49-43-42-43-43-34-36-38-27-23-28-37-31-40-52-51-60-72-84-76-91-92 (40-36c wks, 192 wsf)
Re 02: 09/01/1988: 96-77-93-96-91-100-0-64-92-90
Re 03: 13/06/1992: 56-73
Re 04: 26/07/1997: 200
Re 05: 10/03/2001: 140-149
Re 06: 11/10/2008: 86
Re 07: 14/03/2009: 192

THE UNFORGETTABLE FIRE
Produced by: Brian Eno/Daniel Lanois
Date: 13/10/1984 - Run: *1*-1-2-6-9-12-18-26-35-31-31-30-
05/01/1985: 21-19-19-22-28-34-41-32-42-50-47-57-88-66-77-78-91-41-26-21-35-36-33-44-43-54-47-49-46-12-12- 9-9-10-12-12-15-17-17-21-19-23-33-34-45-55-59-67-82-91-88-89-
04/01/1986: 56-44-39-36-39-38-49-42-43-48-68-56-60-59-70-51-70-64-64-87-84-91-87-0-75-74-76-97-91-0-84-0-86-79-81
Re 01: 21/03/1987: 45-61-59-72-69-99-96-85-0-0-94-80-63-58-49-69-52-54-52-59-35-39-43-42-58-65-64-66-73
Re 02: 09/01/1988: 98-97-97-0-0-0-0-73
Re 03: 13/06/1992: 38-46
Re 04: 21/08/1993: 76-75-92
Re 05: 01/02/1997: 98-129
Re 06: 26/07/1997: 156-150
Re 07: 14/02/1998: 149
Re 08: 10/03/2001: 107-143
Re 09: 07/11/2009: 64-182

gminer · **Joined:** Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:17 pm **Posts:** 2949

The Top US Album acts of the 80`s .... Take care

ps prv yr num hp wks pts 10 w4 w1 artist
1 933 12 10 1 531 668 80 193 33 Prince
2 - 9 8 1 740 642 49 133 15 U2
3 86 21 24 1 658 640 43 143 2 Kenny Rogers
4 - 10 12 10 613 621 1 114 - Alabama
5 190 15 9 1 594 594 78 173 1 Journey
6 90 15 25 2 663 585 15 55 - Willie Nelson
7 - 7 6 1 447 571 82 196 14 Madonna
8 73 16 11 1 423 546 94 196 7 Billy Joel
9 225 18 6 1 392 539 138 180 43 Michael Jackson
10 217 15 9 1 490 520 120 177 19 Bruce Springsteen
11 917 11 9 1 415 505 55 160 1 Pat Benatar
12 96 16 8 3 382 503 69 187 - Daryl Hall & John Oates
13 904 11 7 1 387 501 84 179 9 John Cougar Mellencamp
14 - 10 4 1 415 497 116 157 6 Def Leppard
15 41 23 8 1 690 488 47 88 15 Pink Floyd
16 493 11 6 1 490 477 89 125 17 The Police
17 - 6 4 1 349 460 68 117 12 Bon Jovi
18 - 8 3 1 358 457 100 155 5 Lionel Richie
19 181 12 8 1 393 453 80 160 7 Van Halen
20 - 9 4 1 433 433 51 121 7 Phil Collins
21 489 13 10 1 401 432 47 114 3 AC/DC
22 157 19 8 10 329 421 2 154 - Kool And The Gang
23 - 8 8 4 387 418 34 119 - Duran Duran
24 11 27 10 1 344 398 48 138 6 Barbra Streisand
25 - 8 4 1 308 397 68 139 2 Huey Lewis and The News
26 - 9 6 7 333 385 21 112 - Loverboy
27 34 20 10 3 329 378 30 93 - Linda Ronstadt
28 302 16 10 1 320 368 47 94 15 REO Speedwagon
29 - 5 2 1 247 366 77 129 25 Whitney Houston
30 - 9 8 6 333 365 14 104 - Ozzy Osbourne
31 108 21 7 1 395 365 61 115 6 Bob Seger
32 147 18 5 4 323 365 19 142 - ZZ Top
33 6 26 14 1 345 363 63 108 16 The Rolling Stones
34 1 20 12 13 319 357 - 85 - Elton John
35 291 13 8 15 349 356 - 87 - Talking Heads
36 189 17 6 3 261 353 38 149 - Genesis
37 385 13 8 2 245 341 63 133 - Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
38 - 9 7 9 264 338 3 99 - Luther Vandross
39 185 12 7 3 295 331 44 109 - The Cars
40 - 7 5 1 306 329 32 87 2 Motley Crue
41 345 16 11 3 291 329 29 118 - Rush
42 - 9 5 6 330 326 11 77 - Billy Idol
43 745 18 8 2 265 324 17 97 - Rick Springfield
44 36 20 12 2 277 323 18 90 - Diana Ross
45 7 24 10 3 326 319 26 88 - Neil Diamond
46 - 10 6 7 283 316 12 86 - Air Supply
47 533 19 5 1 225 313 41 133 1 Steve Winwood
48 26 21 9 11 231 313 - 113 - Rod Stewart
49 111 14 7 1 228 308 59 125 1 Heart
50 - 9 4 1 251 305 38 95 1 Stevie Nicks
51 221 17 8 8 240 302 6 101 - The Pointer Sisters
52 - 7 8 10 263 293 1 82 - REM
53 120 13 7 1 236 292 50 110 10 Foreigner
54 - 7 8 7 232 289 9 86 - Eurythmics
55 - 3 2 1 173 284 70 111 5 Guns N' Roses
56 9 27 8 3 210 283 49 105 - Stevie Wonder
57 - 8 4 1 218 281 51 113 2 Bryan Adams
58 769 11 7 5 253 274 22 82 - The Scorpions
59 2 21 7 4 215 272 18 70 - Chicago
60 30 24 9 7 219 272 16 90 - Jefferson Starship
61 - 5 3 6 195 271 13 104 - Gloria Estefan
62 195 14 9 7 231 270 7 55 - The Alan Parsons Project
63 - 7 3 1 210 268 18 100 4 Anita Baker
64 - 9 8 11 281 267 - 65 - Iron Maiden
651442 13 7 10 246 267 3 72 - 38 Special
66 46 16 9 18 211 265 - 77 - Kiss
67 - 10 6 5 235 263 16 81 - Billy Squier
68 20 22 7 1 195 262 31 98 5 Fleetwood Mac
69 - 7 6 3 204 262 22 81 - INXS
70 336 11 6 1 210 261 37 80 9 Dire Straits
71 35 18 12 4 237 260 16 68 - David Bowie
72 - 7 4 2 184 257 30 91 - Culture Club
73 76 19 6 4 209 256 22 68 - Olivia Newton-John
74 508 14 7 9 276 252 4 37 - Al Jarreau
75 - 6 4 3 220 250 16 63 - Run DMC
76 49 28 8 13 219 249 - 58 - Aretha Franklin
77 186 16 6 3 201 248 18 82 - Dan Fogelberg
781448 15 4 3 180 245 45 84 - Tina Turner
79 440 13 9 8 216 245 3 56 - Cameo
80 - 7 5 6 208 245 6 81 - New Edition
81 - 9 5 6 177 244 14 98 - Billy Ocean
82 - 24 15 28 366 238 - 3 - Hank Williams Jr
83 27 16 12 14 234 237 - 43 - Barry Manilow
84 - 8 5 10 209 236 3 65 - Night Ranger
85 53 17 8 5 205 234 13 86 - Aerosmith
86 838 12 7 17 203 234 - 59 - Judas Priest
87 94 21 9 36 269 232 - 5 - Waylon Jennings
88 79 16 7 1 217 232 50 77 3 Styx
89 - 9 7 15 221 231 - 41 - Sheena Easton
90 - 4 5 19 263 230 - 30 - Randy Travis
91 - 5 3 1 172 230 32 75 2 Sade
92 386 12 7 4 197 230 22 44 - Toto
93 - 6 5 6 196 229 19 70 - Kenny G
94 432 11 10 4 209 229 7 54 - Joe Jackson
95 - 10 6 5 212 228 17 66 - The Pretenders
96 626 13 6 2 190 226 12 73 - Peter Gabriel
97 290 12 9 3 212 225 12 49 - Rick James
98 - 4 2 2 171 225 43 98 - Poison
99 - 7 3 4 161 223 27 89 - Cyndi Lauper
100 873 11 8 14 216 223 - 41 - The Gap Band

.... and the Top US Singles acts of the 80`s

ps pr2 yr num hp wks pts 10 w4 w1 artist
1 75 16 22 1 363 246 93 241 12 Daryl Hall & John Oates
2 - 7 19 1 333 239 95 228 15 Madonna
3 72 19 21 1 326 239 105 223 27 Michael Jackson
4 990 12 26 1 381 236 76 210 10 Prince
5 - 9 15 1 277 208 94 192 21 Lionel Richie
6 73 16 22 1 337 206 44 206 5 Billy Joel
7 764 11 21 1 318 193 52 185 4 John Cougar Mellencamp
8 2 20 21 2 322 188 35 180 - Elton John
9 - 9 15 1 258 180 69 168 13 Phil Collins
10 112 21 19 1 315 178 35 172 2 Kool And The Gang
11 - 8 17 1 262 173 57 171 6 Huey Lewis and The News
12 51 21 22 1 270 159 53 147 8 Kenny Rogers
13 529 18 17 1 270 158 35 157 2 Rick Springfield
14 14 20 17 1 264 158 53 129 13 Diana Ross
15 7 27 20 1 262 156 52 133 11 Stevie Wonder
16 - 9 19 1 290 156 32 136 2 Sheena Easton
17 5 21 17 1 265 155 42 137 4 Chicago
18 389 12 19 2 273 155 31 151 - Journey
19 134 17 18 2 287 151 38 128 - The Pointer Sisters
20 - 6 12 1 215 150 61 134 13 Whitney Houston
21 26 19 21 4 280 149 26 134 - Rod Stewart
22 - 8 15 1 221 148 54 142 4 Duran Duran
23 - 10 13 1 226 147 62 142 1 Air Supply
24 507 15 14 2 219 141 44 141 - Bruce Springsteen
251439 11 17 5 255 140 19 129 - Pat Benatar
26 8 19 14 1 209 134 46 118 14 Olivia Newton-John
27 910 13 15 1 241 133 29 122 4 REO Speedwagon
28 - 5 12 1 214 132 36 122 3 Gloria Estefan
29 3 19 13 1 183 131 59 118 16 Paul McCartney
30 849 14 11 1 205 131 37 125 5 Billy Ocean
31 286 13 17 1 250 131 25 115 3 Kenny Loggins
32 100 22 16 1 220 130 30 118 1 Bob Seger
33 - 6 14 1 209 126 30 116 3 Tina Turner
34 - 6 9 1 160 124 58 117 16 George Michael
35 - 7 13 1 193 121 44 116 4 Cyndi Lauper
36 110 14 15 1 220 121 28 105 4 Heart
37 - 10 18 1 234 121 31 96 6 Survivor
38 685 13 15 1 220 120 27 105 1 Genesis
39 - 9 13 1 213 118 26 103 5 Steve Winwood
40 115 23 18 1 227 118 23 94 5 Jefferson Starship
41 - 6 12 1 191 118 42 99 8 Bon Jovi
42 - 8 13 1 189 114 20 112 2 Bryan Adams
43 60 13 14 1 190 114 38 100 2 Foreigner
44 500 12 14 1 199 113 18 101 5 Van Halen
45 - 8 10 1 167 112 40 113 3 Culture Club
46 13 15 18 3 204 107 24 88 - Donna Summer
47 760 12 17 1 201 106 22 85 9 Kim Carnes
48 777 11 11 1 157 105 29 103 8 The Police
49 - 8 10 1 155 103 40 91 6 Janet Jackson
50 41 26 12 2 161 102 30 100 - The Rolling Stones
51 468 13 16 3 187 102 12 97 - Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
52 - 9 11 3 161 101 30 99 - Stevie Nicks
53 226 12 13 3 178 101 22 96 - The Cars
54 - 7 15 1 190 100 20 87 1 Eurythmics
55 - 10 12 1 180 99 23 87 3 Ray Parker Jr
56 - 7 11 1 172 98 19 91 1 Def Leppard
57 - 10 10 1 152 96 30 95 4 Christopher Cross
58 - 3 9 1 151 96 30 91 4 Debbie Gibson
59 - 3 7 1 133 96 37 91 5 Richard Marx
60 - 4 8 1 145 94 28 88 5 The Bangles
61 - 8 12 2 181 94 20 81 - Laura Branigan
62 - 9 10 3 163 94 26 87 - Don Henley
63 9 24 13 2 166 93 25 88 - Neil Diamond
64 362 12 11 1 168 93 18 87 1 Toto
65 81 15 14 1 172 93 27 62 7 Queen
66 22 26 14 1 174 93 21 68 3 Barbra Streisand
67 54 20 14 4 166 92 25 89 - Fleetwood Mac
681492 12 10 2 153 92 27 91 - Juice Newton
69 30 29 15 1 172 91 16 76 2 Aretha Franklin
70 123 18 14 1 174 91 16 77 1 David Bowie
71 565 15 12 2 168 90 17 91 - Dan Fogelberg
72 - 7 8 1 131 89 33 77 8 Wham!
73 370 14 9 1 149 87 29 83 2 Eddie Rabbitt
74 - 8 10 1 162 86 15 66 1 Billy Idol
75 - 10 14 6 180 85 7 65 - 38 Special
76 - 7 12 1 162 85 26 71 1 INXS
77 - 9 8 1 162 85 14 69 2 James Ingram
78 - 4 7 1 136 84 28 77 1 Bobby Brown
79 - 2 7 1 132 83 26 77 2 New Kids On The Block
80 - 9 13 9 175 82 2 69 - Loverboy
81 - 10 8 1 145 82 23 65 6 Irene Cara
82 - 8 10 2 146 81 13 71 - Glenn Frey
83 157 17 12 2 163 80 22 60 - Smokey Robinson
84 225 12 14 4 171 78 8 63 - Eddie Money
85 - 4 10 3 147 78 21 68 - The Jets
86 - 6 10 4 152 78 11 71 - Howard Jones
87 107 28 13 1 163 77 12 61 4 Dionne Warwick
88 - 7 11 3 146 77 14 62 - Thompson Twins
89 29 16 13 3 156 76 18 63 - The Commodores
90 - 7 11 1 136 75 20 61 5 U2
91 - 3 7 1 117 75 22 77 1 Expose
92 - 8 9 1 131 74 18 66 7 Joan Jett and The Blackhearts
93 - 8 12 12 167 74 - 47 - Jeffrey Osborne
94 12 16 14 10 155 74 1 63 - Barry Manilow
95 - 3 8 2 125 73 21 68 - Jody Watley
96 - 8 6 1 103 72 31 66 5 Men At Work
97 - 7 12 4 163 71 10 47 - New Edition
98 - 6 9 3 129 71 11 65 - Corey Hart
99 - 4 9 1 123 70 19 62 1 Pet Shop Boys
100 71 18 10 3 118 69 28 67 - Styx

Eric Wood · **Joined:** Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:22 pm **Posts:** 122

Machine Head wrote:

The Police: Synchronicity 3.72, lowest of the group
Run-D.M.C.: Raising Hell 3.83,
Van Halen: Van Halen 3.92,
U2: The Joshua Tree 3.87,
Guns 'N' Roses: Appetite for Destruction 3.83,
Public Enemy: It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back 4.06,
Talking Heads: Remain in Light - 4.23, highest of the group...

Public Enemy is a good deal closer than the rest, like I said before, but the Heads absolutely stomp all over every single one of the artists that you guys (Sampson/J.B. Trance) are talking about and it is not even close. Like, I'm almost laughing out loud, it's such an unbelievably huge landslide win for the Heads.

4.23 is an unbelievably huge landslide over 3.72? Really?

I look at RYM sometimes and there's some interesting stuff there, but I assume it's not going to mean much towards these lists.

Fan ratings are extremely worthwhile for various purposes if they are taken from paying customers immediately after launch of a product. For example if a new movie gets an average rating of "B" from fans on opening weekend, that means the movie is gawdawful. But the difference between an "A-" and a "B+" in fan ratings this long after the albums actually had their impact can't mean much.

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