Do you think it's at least debatable? I think Buddy Holly was a key influence on many of the British Invasin bands. I know Bo Diddley music influenced the Rolling Stones, The Animals, The Yardbirds and the Kinks. I know the music enough to hear it on certain Beatles tracks like "I Wanna Be Your Man".

Twenty years? How about last month?

http://thetvrealist.com/gossip/Minogue- ... 99185.html



IMO, rockabilly is a legitimate genre of music. Country rock isn't.

My point was that you can't call someone a "fan boy" when you're doing the exact same thing.

Also, I do find you at times to be "all over the place" because it's hard to read some of your posts. At least you're attempting to clean them up, as I've seen your many edits.

And Sampson is not an "Elvis fan boy." Maybe if you talked about other artists most of the time instead of essentially focusing on the Beatles, you'll see what I mean.



Who thought so otherwise?

Bruce, I necessarily don't disagree with you. Interesting Keith Richards once said that Buddy Holly had "an influence on everybody". Buddy Holly was the main influence on the Beatles they started the British Invasion. The Hollies named themselves after Buddy Holly.

So you think the amount of times his songs were covered counts as influence? I had this debate with someone else here about that topic. I have always viewed it as influence. Ok so in the scheme of things where do you rank Buddy Holly influence overall all on the British Invasion?

Geez have you guys heard of Country Alternative Rock? There is a whole bunch of musicians doing that. Have you guys heard of Steve Earle and Wilco for instance?

What does "understood" mean?

Either music hits you or it doesn't. Most Hendrix records I've heard don't hit me as anything that I'd ever want to hear again. While his skill may have been tremendous, it just doesn't translate to music that I like AT ALL.

I don't deny that many opera singers had awesome talent, but most what they sing repulses me tremendously....just like most of what hendrix plays repulses me.

Hendrix repulses me the way that caviar repulses many people. They "understand" that it is fish eggs, but it makes them gag nonetheless.

I know many trained musicians who clearly understand what the Beatles were doing, for instance, but still don't like their music. Just because you "understand" something does not mean you won't hate it.

The Everly Brothers were a much bigger LP artist (# 431) in the 1955-1996 rankings than Black Sabbath was a singles artist.

So it's

SINGLES - Everlys # 42 - Black Sabbath - oogots

ALBUMS - Black Sabbath - # 132, Everlys # 431

Everlys (2) even had more top ten albums than sabbath (1).

They certainly have to win the commercial success portion of the criteria.

Sabbath's influence is very isolated. It is huge on one relatively small sub-genre (heavy metal) and pretty much nonexistent on any other parts of rock and roll.

Holly had at least some influence on mainstream rock, country rock, british invasion, pop rock, new wave, punk, country, and even hard rock (Blind Faith).

Tell me something I don't know. Jazz music like rock and roll mostly though is 4/4 time signature.
Rock and Roll is a synthesis of music of past styles. Many of the early Beatles songs was a synthesis of America R&B, with modal harmonies and melodies derived from the folk music of where they came from in Europe.

Hence they don’t sound like American rock and roll for the most part even though they borrowed from it a lot. Hence why people like Bob Dylan, the Byrds and others noticed they were different than the music they heard before.

What I was talking about when it comes to time signatures is in it’s application of rock and roll songs. The Beatles and Frank Zappa use of constant changing of meters. On "Happiness Is A Warm Gun" there are least six different meters in the first twenty-one bars. The songs you are talking about changes meters one or twice or it's in 12/8

Only if commercial success consists entirely of initial popularity. And of course we have to actually take into account how much singles and albums mattered at their respective times. I don't really penalize the Everlys for their lack of album success because that wasn't a big part of the rock market then. Now that isn't quite the case for singles with Black Sabbath as they were still important but they were less so than albums. You really didn't address my point though which is that Sabbath has more lasting popularity and that albums have been the more important medium of rock distribution for longer than singles.

Check out this buffoon's proclamation:

http://news.discovery.com/human/worlds- ... ified.html

Where the fuck does he get that it's the first record with a guitar break from?

And he says that "That's All Right" is "one" of Presley's first singles.....you mean he doesn't know that is IS his first single?

And no mention of the real first rock and roll record, "Good Rockin' Tonight" by Wynonie Harris.

Plenty fo guitar breaks before "That's All Right."

How about the same artist from 4 years earlier....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6d2GTYG4lc

That's patently false. Half of the foundation of grunge (which is a foundation for much alternative music) is based on Black Sabbath. They've got large punk influence and general hard rock influence too. Heavy metal isn't all that small of a subgenre either. And I think you underestimate the absolutely pervasive degree of their influence in the genre. Their are styles of metal that are entirely built on boiling Sabbath down to their core (just the riffs). But even leaving that aside practically every metal artist takes some direct influence from Black Sabbath. And every metal artist takes important secondary influence. I can't think of another artist in any other large subgenre whose influence is so ubiquitous.

Actually, singles were the most important medium for rock and roll from about 1945 through 1974 and albums from about 1975 to about 2004, so it's about equal. In the last few years albums are not the most important medium anymore. People now download individual songs to their computers and Ipods rather than buying albums. People listen to individual songs on YouTube and other places far more often than they listen to albums.

The only Black Sabbath song I have ever heard on the radio is "Paranoid" and the only other song by them that I have heard AT ALL is the repulsive "Iron Man." They just have never really gotten into the mainstream. Their music is only known by a relatively small percentage of music listeners. MOST people just don;t want to hear head banging loud guitars.