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Any thoughts about my Lennon vs Clapton comparison? As solo artists I frankly don´t see any significant difference.

Popularity is a tie or Lennon. Clapton never had such a huge hit as Imagine and Lennon is more iconic and well known.

Influence is a tie or Lennon.

Musical Impact: Lennon. His Plastic Ono Band / Imagine albums had more impact than any solo album by Clapton.

Cultural impact. Lennon by far. I don´t see where is the cultural impact of Clapton. Lennon had a huge impact during his “peace” era (Imagine, Power to the People, etc.) and even his tragic death has been a major cultural event worldwide (at least in Mexico every December his assassination is remembered on every major news media).

I am a huge fan of Clapton, so please don´t move him down; I just want Lennon, who I consider his peer, to be right next to him.

ClashWho wrote:

Yeah, my Who obsession hasn't progressed to the point where I buy magazines for a full-page ad. Thanks for the heads-up, though.

People collect these things because they are a part of history. A contemporary ad for a new release that became a classic. It's like a lobby card for "Casablanca" or "Goodfellas."

I know that he sold more records, but Clapton doesn’t have a song as popular as Imagine.

Also, Lennon is better known and more iconic than Clapton (IMO that is popularity).

I know that he sold more records, but Clapton doesn’t have a song as popular as Imagine. Also, Lennon is better known and more iconic than Clapton (IMO that is popularity).

So maybe a tie is better?

Bruce wrote:

ClashWho wrote:

Yeah, my Who obsession hasn't progressed to the point where I buy magazines for a full-page ad. Thanks for the heads-up, though.

People collect these things because they are a part of history. A contemporary ad for a new release that became a classic. It's like a lobby card for "Casablanca" or "Goodfellas."

Don't get me wrong, it appeals to me. I'd just rather spend that dough on the eventual super deluxe edition of Who's Next. I used to collect memorabilia until I realized that all it does is sit in a box. I'm not much of a collector, these days.

Echoes wrote:

I know that he sold more records, but Clapton doesn’t have a song as popular as Imagine.

"Layla" could be even more popular than "Imagine". It's certainly not far behind, anyway.

Echoes wrote:

Also, Lennon is better known and more iconic than Clapton (IMO that is popularity).

That might have something to do with The Beatles, who are already #1 on the list.

Echoes wrote:

What about Tears In Heaven? That song is just as classic as Imagine. Wonderful Tonight is also very known.

And Clapton is widely considered one of THE best guitar players ever. That is a big thing.

Isn't Clapton probably too high on the list anyways? I expect he'd be the type of guy you'd consider when you have about 100 names for the last 20 spots.

Just to grab some contemporaries already in the top 100, how about Aerosmith, Donna Summer or Al Green. Considering Clapton's credit gets split between Cream and solo work, how does he stack up against any of those/

But Layla is from Derek and the Dominos and that song in particular have a huge input from Allman and Jim Gordon (who wrote the final part of the song), so I think it should not be considered as part of Clapton´s solo career.

Most of Clapton´s iconic status came from his 60´s era, which is not his solo era.

I´m just asking for some fairness here, I mean, Clapton and Lennon are peers all around.

Tears in Heaven was a huge song, but IMO it has not maintained its popularity over time, I mean, I don´t think you can say that Tears in Heaven is a “classic” rock song.
But from the side of Lennon you have Mother, Woman, Stand by Me, Power To the People, Give Peace a Chance, Karma Police, etc.

Echoes wrote:

That's crazy.

Echoes wrote:

Most of Clapton´s iconic status came from his 60´s era, which is not his solo era.

No, his iconic status comes from all phases of his career. John Lennon's iconic status, however, is mostly from being a Beatle. Not from Plastic Ono Band.

Echoes wrote:

I´m just asking for some fairness here, I mean, Clapton and Lennon are peers all around.

No, they aren't. Solo Eric Clapton is vastly more popular than solo John Lennon.

Echoes wrote:

That's crazy.

Echoes wrote:

Most of Clapton´s iconic status came from his 60´s era, which is not his solo era.

No, his iconic status comes from all phases of his career. John Lennon's iconic status, however, is mostly from being a Beatle. Not from Plastic Ono Band.

Author:	Echoes [ Fri May 11, 2012 11:54 am ]
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Any thoughts about my Lennon vs Clapton comparison? As solo artists I frankly don´t see any significant difference. Popularity is a tie or Lennon. Clapton never had such a huge hit as Imagine and Lennon is more iconic and well known. Influence is a tie or Lennon. Musical Impact: Lennon. His Plastic Ono Band / Imagine albums had more impact than any solo album by Clapton. Cultural impact. Lennon by far. I don´t see where is the cultural impact of Clapton. Lennon had a huge impact during his “peace” era (Imagine, Power to the People, etc.) and even his tragic death has been a major cultural event worldwide (at least in Mexico every December his assassination is remembered on every major news media). I am a huge fan of Clapton, so please don´t move him down; I just want Lennon, who I consider his peer, to be right next to him.

Author:	McMurphy [ Fri May 11, 2012 12:07 pm ]
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Echoes wrote: Any thoughts about my Lennon vs Clapton comparison? As solo artists I frankly don´t see any significant difference. Popularity is a tie or Lennon. Clapton never had such a huge hit as Imagine and Lennon is more iconic and well known. Influence is a tie or Lennon. Musical Impact: Lennon. His Plastic Ono Band / Imagine albums had more impact than any solo album by Clapton. Cultural impact. Lennon by far. I don´t see where is the cultural impact of Clapton. Lennon had a huge impact during his “peace” era (Imagine, Power to the People, etc.) and even his tragic death has been a major cultural event worldwide (at least in Mexico every December his assassination is remembered on every major news media). I am a huge fan of Clapton, so please don´t move him down; I just want Lennon, who I consider his peer, to be right next to him. Lennon is more popular than Clapton? Where are you getting this from? It doesn't matter if Clapton isn't as iconic as Lennon, so long as he sold more records; which I'm pretty sure he did.

Author:	Echoes [ Fri May 11, 2012 12:18 pm ]
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I know that he sold more records, but Clapton doesn’t have a song as popular as Imagine. Also, Lennon is better known and more iconic than Clapton (IMO that is popularity). So maybe a tie is better?

Author:	ClashWho [ Fri May 11, 2012 12:55 pm ]
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Bruce wrote: ClashWho wrote: Yeah, my Who obsession hasn't progressed to the point where I buy magazines for a full-page ad. Thanks for the heads-up, though. People collect these things because they are a part of history. A contemporary ad for a new release that became a classic. It's like a lobby card for "Casablanca" or "Goodfellas." Don't get me wrong, it appeals to me. I'd just rather spend that dough on the eventual super deluxe edition of Who's Next. I used to collect memorabilia until I realized that all it does is sit in a box. I'm not much of a collector, these days.

Author:	ClashWho [ Fri May 11, 2012 12:59 pm ]
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Echoes wrote: I know that he sold more records, but Clapton doesn’t have a song as popular as Imagine. "Layla" could be even more popular than "Imagine". It's certainly not far behind, anyway. Echoes wrote: Also, Lennon is better known and more iconic than Clapton (IMO that is popularity). That might have something to do with The Beatles, who are already #1 on the list.

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Author:	Johnny [ Fri May 11, 2012 1:00 pm ]
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Echoes wrote: I know that he sold more records, but Clapton doesn’t have a song as popular as Imagine. Also, Lennon is better known and more iconic than Clapton (IMO that is popularity). So maybe a tie is better? What about Tears In Heaven? That song is just as classic as Imagine. Wonderful Tonight is also very known. And Clapton is widely considered one of THE best guitar players ever. That is a big thing.

Author:	Bruce [ Fri May 11, 2012 1:08 pm ]
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ClashWho wrote: Bruce wrote: ClashWho wrote: Yeah, my Who obsession hasn't progressed to the point where I buy magazines for a full-page ad. Thanks for the heads-up, though. People collect these things because they are a part of history. A contemporary ad for a new release that became a classic. It's like a lobby card for "Casablanca" or "Goodfellas." Don't get me wrong, it appeals to me. I'd just rather spend that dough on the eventual super deluxe edition of Who's Next. I used to collect memorabilia until I realized that all it does is sit in a box. I'm not much of a collector, these days. It also appreciates. I got all of these things cheap many years ago at garage sales, flea markets, from friwends who were gonna throw them out, etc....now decades later they are worth good money. I also have a lot of memorabilia hanging on my walls, not sitting in a box. I've got over 100 45s hanging on various walls, and dozens of 78s, and several albums, along with some posters and stuff too. I have a framed autographed copy of "Shake, Rattle and Roll" by Joe Turner. I saw him in like 1977 at a place called the Cookery in Manhattan. Small dinner place with just him and Lloyd Glenn on the piano. He signed several items for us. I also have an autpgraphed copy of "Blues Suede Shose" by Perkins, saw him backstage at the Lone Star cafe in 1978.

Author:	Eric Wood [ Fri May 11, 2012 1:34 pm ]
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Isn't Clapton probably too high on the list anyways? I expect he'd be the type of guy you'd consider when you have about 100 names for the last 20 spots. Just to grab some contemporaries already in the top 100, how about Aerosmith, Donna Summer or Al Green. Considering Clapton's credit gets split between Cream and solo work, how does he stack up against any of those/

Author:	Echoes [ Fri May 11, 2012 1:36 pm ]
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ClashWho wrote: Echoes wrote: I know that he sold more records, but Clapton doesn’t have a song as popular as Imagine. "Layla" could be even more popular than "Imagine". It's certainly not far behind, anyway. Echoes wrote: Also, Lennon is better known and more iconic than Clapton (IMO that is popularity). That might have something to do with The Beatles, who are already #1 on the list. But Layla is from Derek and the Dominos and that song in particular have a huge input from Allman and Jim Gordon (who wrote the final part of the song), so I think it should not be considered as part of Clapton´s solo career. Most of Clapton´s iconic status came from his 60´s era, which is not his solo era. I´m just asking for some fairness here, I mean, Clapton and Lennon are peers all around.

Author:	Echoes [ Fri May 11, 2012 1:40 pm ]
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Johnny wrote: Echoes wrote: I know that he sold more records, but Clapton doesn’t have a song as popular as Imagine. Also, Lennon is better known and more iconic than Clapton (IMO that is popularity). So maybe a tie is better? What about Tears In Heaven? That song is just as classic as Imagine. Wonderful Tonight is also very known. And Clapton is widely considered one of THE best guitar players ever. That is a big thing. Tears in Heaven was a huge song, but IMO it has not maintained its popularity over time, I mean, I don´t think you can say that Tears in Heaven is a “classic” rock song. But from the side of Lennon you have Mother, Woman, Stand by Me, Power To the People, Give Peace a Chance, Karma Police, etc. Lennon is considered one of the greatest vocalists in rock history. So again, IMO they are peers.

Author:	McMurphy [ Fri May 11, 2012 1:48 pm ]
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Eric Wood wrote: Isn't Clapton probably too high on the list anyways? I expect he'd be the type of guy you'd consider when you have about 100 names for the last 20 spots. Just to grab some contemporaries already in the top 100, how about Aerosmith, Donna Summer or Al Green. Considering Clapton's credit gets split between Cream and solo work, how does he stack up against any of those/ I agree, he does look too high. He does really well in popularity, and pretty well in musical impact, but not too well in the other two criterion. Cream is listed separately.

Author:	ClashWho [ Fri May 11, 2012 2:07 pm ]
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Echoes wrote: But Layla is from Derek and the Dominos and that song in particular have a huge input from Allman and Jim Gordon (who wrote the final part of the song), so I think it should not be considered as part of Clapton´s solo career. That's crazy. Echoes wrote: Most of Clapton´s iconic status came from his 60´s era, which is not his solo era. No, his iconic status comes from all phases of his career. John Lennon's iconic status, however, is mostly from being a Beatle. Not from Plastic Ono Band. Echoes wrote: I´m just asking for some fairness here, I mean, Clapton and Lennon are peers all around. No, they aren't. Solo Eric Clapton is vastly more popular than solo John Lennon.

Author:	ClashWho [ Fri May 11, 2012 2:08 pm ]
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Echoes wrote: Tears in Heaven was a huge song, but IMO it has not maintained its popularity over time, I mean, I don´t think you can say that Tears in Heaven is a “classic” rock song. But from the side of Lennon you have Mother, Woman, Stand by Me, Power To the People, Give Peace a Chance, Karma Police, etc. Radiohead did it better.

Author:	Bruce [ Fri May 11, 2012 2:12 pm ]
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ClashWho wrote: Echoes wrote: But Layla is from Derek and the Dominos and that song in particular have a huge input from Allman and Jim Gordon (who wrote the final part of the song), so I think it should not be considered as part of Clapton´s solo career. That's crazy. Echoes wrote: Most of Clapton´s iconic status came from his 60´s era, which is not his solo era. No, his iconic status comes from all phases of his career. John Lennon's iconic status, however, is mostly from being a Beatle. Not from Plastic Ono Band. Echoes wrote: I´m just asking for some fairness here, I mean, Clapton and Lennon are peers all around. No, they aren't. Solo Eric Clapton is vastly more popular than solo John Lennon. They are about even with singles in the USA. Clapton is ranked higher, but that ranking includes the Derek and the Dominos stuff. Clapton ranks much higher with albums though.

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Author:	Echoes [ Fri May 11, 2012 2:15 pm ]
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ClashWho wrote: Echoes wrote: But Layla is from Derek and the Dominos and that song in particular have a huge input from Allman and Jim Gordon (who wrote the final part of the song), so I think it should not be considered as part of Clapton´s solo career. That's crazy. How is that crazy? If you are considering Layla as part of Clapton´s solo career, then you must also considered Lennon´s songs with The Beatles that are totally his like Julia, Come Together, Happiness, etc, etc, etc. ClashWho wrote: Echoes wrote: Most of Clapton´s iconic status came from his 60´s era, which is not his solo era. No, his iconic status comes from all phases of his career. John Lennon's iconic status, however, is mostly from being a Beatle. Not from Plastic Ono Band. Ask most people about a John Lennon song and they will say Imagine. Ask the same question about Clapton and most people will have a really hard time naming one of his songs.