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| Author: | Echoes [ Wed May 16, 2012 1:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision) |
I was thinking more as an example of musical / cultural impact, not influence. |
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| Author: | Bruce [ Wed May 16, 2012 2:00 am ] |
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Echoes wrote: I was thinking more as an example of musical / cultural impact, not influence. So does Boone get cultural and musical impact for his covers, and should he be on Sampson's list of Greatest 1950s Rock Artists? |
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| Author: | Eric Wood [ Wed May 16, 2012 2:10 am ] |
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Echoes wrote: I was thinking more as an example of musical impact, not influence. Clapton covering Marley scores musical impact for Marley, not Clapton. I don't think you are going to make much (any) progress arguing for Clapton solo to make the top 50. And there's a good chance he won't make the top 100. The problem is that his influence is going to go 95% to various bands, most notably Cream, from before his solo career, and his musical impact is going to go probably 50% to those same bands. Artists don't plan their careers in order to make these lists. If their careers get broken up under many banners (and Clapton's is under more banners than most), it detracts from their placement. However, there is a greatest rock guitarists list, where Clapton's entire impact as a guitarist can be included together. If he is not in the top 50 there, you have reason to complain. |
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| Author: | ClashWho [ Wed May 16, 2012 8:04 am ] |
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Brian wrote: On Kanye v. Guns, I think Guns wins popularity and cultural impact, and Kanye wins musical impact and influence. To me, it looks like Kanye wins his 2 criteria by slightly more than Guns win their 2 criteria. If memes are cultural impact, then Kanye West wins that hands down. And it's got to be some kind of cultural impact when the President of the United States calls you a jackass. Twice. |
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| Author: | ClashWho [ Wed May 16, 2012 8:49 am ] |
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J.B. Trance wrote: ClashWho wrote: J.B. Trance wrote: ClashWho wrote: Rolling Stone put them on the cover as exactly that in 1987. They've put a lot of artists on their covers in the 1980s. Of course. But only one with the blurb "America's Best Rock Band." Rolling Stone's blurbs are known to be exaggerations at times, more like attention-grabbing headlines. I have all of their first 40 years of issues in digital format. So do I. Actually, it's all online if you have a subscription. J.B. Trance wrote: Their "America's Best" or "America's hottest" or "America's whatever" isn't a new label. They said the same thing about Fall Out Boy. What specifically did they say about Fall Out Boy? J.B. Trance wrote: And the Talking Heads were not the "only one with the blurb America's Best Rock Band." R.E.M. graced the Rolling Stone cover that same year, in 1987, actually the December 3, 1987 issue where R.E.M. are called "America's Best Rock and Roll Band." Another worthy contender for the title. |
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| Author: | Negative Creep [ Wed May 16, 2012 9:58 am ] |
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Echoes, You probably know as well as anyone that I'm the biggest Clapton freak on this site. But I too don't think his career is great enough to warrant top 50 here. |
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| Author: | ClashWho [ Wed May 16, 2012 10:34 am ] |
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Bruce wrote: Why no ABBA on this list? They beat everybody but the Beatles, Elvis and maybe MJ in commercial impact. Says who? |
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| Author: | Bruce [ Wed May 16, 2012 11:07 am ] |
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ClashWho wrote: Bruce wrote: Why no ABBA on this list? They beat everybody but the Beatles, Elvis and maybe MJ in commercial impact. Says who? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_be ... ic_artists |
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| Author: | ClashWho [ Wed May 16, 2012 11:39 am ] |
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Bruce wrote: ClashWho wrote: Bruce wrote: Why no ABBA on this list? They beat everybody but the Beatles, Elvis and maybe MJ in commercial impact. Says who? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_be ... ic_artists Nope, doesn't say that. |
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| Author: | Bruce [ Wed May 16, 2012 11:50 am ] |
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ClashWho wrote: Bruce wrote: ClashWho wrote: Bruce wrote: Why no ABBA on this list? They beat everybody but the Beatles, Elvis and maybe MJ in commercial impact. Says who? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_be ... ic_artists Nope, doesn't say that. Well they seem to be tied with 5 other artists at 300 million. |
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| Author: | ClashWho [ Wed May 16, 2012 12:30 pm ] |
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Such sales claims should be taken with large grains of salt. |
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| Author: | Bruce [ Wed May 16, 2012 12:53 pm ] |
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ClashWho wrote: Such sales claims should be taken with large grains of salt. It's clear that Abba is one of the largest selling recording artists of all time. They were the biggest act in the world for several years, huge in dozens of countries. They turned down a billion dollars to tour a few years ago. |
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| Author: | ClashWho [ Wed May 16, 2012 1:21 pm ] |
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Bruce wrote: ClashWho wrote: Such sales claims should be taken with large grains of salt. It's clear that Abba is one of the largest selling recording artists of all time. They don't have that large a discography. I find it hard to believe they've sold that many hits collections. Bruce wrote: They were the biggest act in the world for several years, huge in dozens of countries. They turned down a billion dollars to tour a few years ago. Reportedly. I'm skeptical. |
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| Author: | Bruce [ Wed May 16, 2012 1:28 pm ] |
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ClashWho wrote: Bruce wrote: ClashWho wrote: Such sales claims should be taken with large grains of salt. It's clear that Abba is one of the largest selling recording artists of all time. They don't have that large a discography. I find it hard to believe they've sold that may hits collections. Bruce wrote: They were the biggest act in the world for several years, huge in dozens of countries. They turned down a billion dollars to tour a few years ago. Reportedly. I'm skeptical. They did not have a ton of original albums, but they had dozens of singles and lots of collection albums. http://rateyourmusic.com/artist/abba As someone else said, they had 20 #1 singles in multiple countries. Greatest Hits was rush-released in Scandinavia in November 1975 to counter expected import sales of similar collections released by licencees in Europe, such as French Disques Vogue's ABBA's Greatest Hits and West German Polydor's The Best Of ABBA. The album was the best selling album of 1976 in the UK, the second best selling album of the 1970s in the UK, and is the second-best selling album in the UK for ABBA,[2] staying in the charts for 130 weeks.[3] The album was certified Platinum in the US.[4] Its compilation successor was Greatest Hits Vol. 2, released in 1979, and this album was later referred to as "Greatest Hits Volume 1".[3] The tracks, taken from ABBA’s first three studio albums, had all but one been single sides somewhere in the world. Despite the title of the compilation, only half of the tracks had actually charted as hit singles in major territories. One track, "Dance (While The Music Still Goes On)," was never released as a single and thus was never certified a hit in any territory or country. "Waterloo," "SOS," "Mamma Mia" and, later, "Fernando" were Top 10 hits in the UK and several other countries, though only the first of these was a Top 10 hit in the US. Other arguable hits in multiple territories included "I Do, I Do, I Do, I Do, I Do" (a Top 10 hit in several countries, a number one in Australia, and a Top 20 hit in the US, though barely cracking the Top 40 in the UK), "Honey Honey" (a Top 20 hit in several countries and a Top 30 hit in the US), "Hasta Mañana" (a Top 10 hit in South Africa and New Zealand and a Top 20 hit in Australia), and "So Long" (a Top 20 hit in Germany and a Top 10 hit in Sweden). Ironically, in Australia, where several of the tracks had reached Number One, the release of Greatest Hits was beaten to the market by the local compilation The Best Of ABBA, precluding a release there for years. Nevertheless, the official greatest hits package was an enormous success. Even Rolling Stone, often one of ABBA's harshest critics in the US, declared in the years shortly after its release, "Anyone who could listen to this record five times and not wind up humming half the songs is an android." ABBA has sold over 370 million records worldwide and still sell millions of records a year,[1][2] which makes them one of the best-selling music artists. ABBA was the first pop group to come from a non-English-speaking country that enjoyed consistent success in the charts of English-speaking countries, including the UK, Ireland, the U.S., Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and the Philippines. The group also enjoyed significant success in Latin American markets, and recorded a collection of their hit songs in Spanish. |
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| Author: | ClashWho [ Wed May 16, 2012 1:58 pm ] |
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Oh, so now it's over 370 million, eh? According to the BBC it was over 200 million a mere four months ago. These sales claims are all over the place. Do you see why they shouldn't be taken seriously? |
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