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| Author: | Bruce [ Mon May 21, 2012 10:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision) |
ClashWho wrote: Bruce wrote: Does this sound like blues to you? [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2XJXT7N7gs[/youtube] Still haven't listened to it, but the Wikipedia page for "Corrine, Corrina" actually doesn't mention the Big Joe Turner version at all. Apparently it's not one of the more notable recordings of it. Only two versions ever charted and the Turner was one of them. |
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| Author: | Bruce [ Mon May 21, 2012 10:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision) |
ClashWho wrote: Still haven't listened to it, but the Wikipedia page for "Corrine, Corrina" actually doesn't mention the Big Joe Turner version at all. Apparently it's not one of the more notable recordings of it. Says a lot about the Bob Wills version, though. Look a little further, at the bottom there is this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:B ... rner_songs |
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| Author: | ClashWho [ Mon May 21, 2012 10:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision) |
Sounds like that Wikipedia page needs some editing, then. |
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| Author: | ClashWho [ Mon May 21, 2012 10:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision) |
Brian wrote: ClashWho wrote: Brian wrote: That's right, the impact has to occur soon after the music is released. Are you saying that The Velvet Underground have negligible musical impact? Yes, or at least, not very much. They were revered by many later artists, but weren't well enough known to make much of an impact among their contemporaries. Is there then a place in the criteria for peer recognition that occurs late? |
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| Author: | Sampson [ Mon May 21, 2012 2:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision) |
Can people please stop using Wikipedia as a reference source? You'd all honestly be much better off saying "My dentist tells me that so and so was a big rock artist back in 1923..." or "According to the fortune cookie I opened last night, such and such is not a rock song". |
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| Author: | ClashWho [ Mon May 21, 2012 2:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision) |
Sampson wrote: Can people please stop using Wikipedia as a reference source? You'd all honestly be much better off saying "My dentist tells me that so and so was a big rock artist back in 1923..." or "According to the fortune cookie I opened last night, such and such is not a rock song". Naah. It's pretty good as long as you check the footnotes. |
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| Author: | Sampson [ Mon May 21, 2012 2:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision) |
ClashWho wrote: Brian wrote: ClashWho wrote: Brian wrote: That's right, the impact has to occur soon after the music is released. Are you saying that The Velvet Underground have negligible musical impact? Yes, or at least, not very much. They were revered by many later artists, but weren't well enough known to make much of an impact among their contemporaries. Is there then a place in the criteria for peer recognition that occurs late? The problem with that is the recognition that occurs much later has been filtered over the years through its influences, so you'd be crediting the same thing twice. Someone like VU had enormous influence over time, but no real impact among their contemporaries, so artists who came along years later, when that influence has been distilled and recognized, are simply going back to find the root of that influence, but that's not the same as Musical Impact/peer recognition. When it takes that long to be recognized it's gotta be felt in influence. Remember, the criteria are supposed to all reflect different aspects of an artist's career achievements, not the same ones viewed in different ways. |
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| Author: | Sampson [ Mon May 21, 2012 2:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision) |
ClashWho wrote: Sampson wrote: Can people please stop using Wikipedia as a reference source? You'd all honestly be much better off saying "My dentist tells me that so and so was a big rock artist back in 1923..." or "According to the fortune cookie I opened last night, such and such is not a rock song". Naah. It's pretty good as long as you check the footnotes. Phooey. It's little more than Cliff Notes for the internet age, but written by people who spend way too much time online. Besides, since Big Joe Turner is unquestionably a rock artist and since Wikipedia claims otherwise, they're factually wrong, footnotes or not. Yet by using them as a source to claim Turner is not qualified for a Top 100 spot means you're essentially giving credence to someone else's entirely subjective (and inaccurate) "opinion" of what constitutes rock 'n' roll music. That's hardly something that should be encouraged around here considering how long it's taken for people to actually view rock from an historically correct perspective. |
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| Author: | ClashWho [ Mon May 21, 2012 2:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision) |
Sampson wrote: Besides, since Big Joe Turner is unquestionably a rock artist and since Wikipedia claims otherwise, they're factually wrong, footnotes or not. Wikipedia doesn't claim otherwise. It says his genres are jump blues, rock 'n' roll and swing music. I pointed out that some of the songs in Bruce's list are not classified as rock 'n' roll. Sampson wrote: Yet by using them as a source to claim Turner is not qualified for a Top 100 spot means you're essentially giving credence to someone else's entirely subjective (and inaccurate) "opinion" of what constitutes rock 'n' roll music. That's hardly something that should be encouraged around here considering how long it's taken for people to actually view rock from an historically correct perspective. I'm not saying Big Joe Turner isn't rock 'n' roll. I'm saying he's not a top 100 rock 'n' roll artist. |
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| Author: | Bruce [ Mon May 21, 2012 3:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision) |
Sampson wrote: Can people please stop using Wikipedia as a reference source? You'd all honestly be much better off saying "My dentist tells me that so and so was a big rock artist back in 1923..." or "According to the fortune cookie I opened last night, such and such is not a rock song". Should we use you instead, the guy who said that Sam Cooke was the first rock artist to own a record label? |
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| Author: | J.B. Trance [ Mon May 21, 2012 3:04 pm ] |
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Eric Wood wrote: And in influence, I don't think Elvis and the Beatles are #1 and #2. They're both extremely strong, and possibly both top 5. But I think James Brown is #1 and Chuck Berry is #2 in influence. Pretty interesting, Eric. I would like to see your perspective as to why. |
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| Author: | Bruce [ Mon May 21, 2012 3:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision) |
J.B. Trance wrote: Eric Wood wrote: And in influence, I don't think Elvis and the Beatles are #1 and #2. They're both extremely strong, and possibly both top 5. But I think James Brown is #1 and Chuck Berry is #2 in influence. Pretty interesting, Eric. I would like to see your perspective as to why. Like it or not, the fact that rock artists of the past 30-40 years have been fully expected to write their own songs points towards Berry, Brown and the Beatles and away from Presley. If you wanna say that Presley's modern legacy is Clay Aiken and his ilk that would be fair. Personally I don't care who writes the songs, I only care what the finished product sounds like, but most people differ from me in that they care very much about lyrics and what they are saying, and who wrote them. |
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| Author: | J.B. Trance [ Mon May 21, 2012 3:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision) |
That comment was more about The Beatles. It's just a pretty interesting viewpoint that he doesn't see The Beatles as #1 or #2 in the influence category. |
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| Author: | J.B. Trance [ Mon May 21, 2012 3:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision) |
gminer wrote: as if Rock and Roll didn`t have a dark and dangerous bad boy image before the Rolling Stones arrived on the music scene, Rock and Roll`s image was entirely that before the Beatles arrived as the first boy band of note that had a safe clean image so appealing to young teenage girls without scaring their parents ..... as opposed to popular live acts of the time like long green haired rock and roller Screaming Lord Sutch and his Savages which also included proto Alice Cooper stage make up and props There were several "bad boys" before the British Invasion, such as Little Willie John, Gene Vincent, etc., but The Rolling Stones get some cultural impact to their name for their "bad boy" image and controversies. Screaming Lord Sutch, a fan of Screamin' Jay Hawkins, worked off a template that people like Hawkins pioneered in rock as far as ghoulish stage props are concerned, and in the "screaming" department, worked off of Little Richard, who he was a big fan of. Artists such as blues-R&B Guitar Slim and Sonny Burgess dyed their hair, and others had "wild" hairstyles for their day as well. |
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| Author: | J.B. Trance [ Mon May 21, 2012 3:24 pm ] |
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Brian wrote: If other people want to present their arguments in that way, that's fine, but for me it would be hard to translate performance in criteria into numbers. Yeah, I can definitely see that. |
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