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Author:  Bruce [ Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:18 pm ]
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ZepHead wrote:
But you can't deny that Zep's and Holmes' versions are disparate, can you?


But you can't deny that they stole the song, can you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dazed_and_Confused_(song)


Singer-songwriter Jake Holmes wrote and recorded Dazed and Confused for his debut solo album "The Above Ground Sound" of Jake Holmes, released in June 1967. Like the other tracks on the album, the song does not include any drums. It was recorded entirely with the trio of Holmes on guitar, keyboard and vocals, Ted Irwin on guitar and Rick Randle on bass. The song has been incorrectly labelled as a tale about a bad acid trip. Holmes himself has confirmed that this is not the case. In 2001 he gave an interview to Shindig! magazine and said this about "Dazed and Confused":

I never took acid. I smoked grass and tripped on it, but I never took acid. I was afraid to take it. The song's about a girl who hasn't decided whether she wants to stay with me or not. It's pretty much one of those love songs.

In June 2010, Jake Holmes sued Led Zeppelin guitarist Jimmy Page for copyright infringement, claiming to have written and recorded “Dazed and Confused” two years before it appeared on Led Zeppelin's debut album. In court documents Holmes cited a 1967 copyright registration for “Dazed and Confused” which was renewed in 1995. This court case (CASE NO. CV10-4789-DMG-PJW) was "dismissed with prejudice" at the request of the plaintiff (Holmes) - presumably because the parties settled out of court - in January 2012.
Author:  ZepHead [ Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:39 pm ]
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Bruce wrote:
But you can't deny that they stole the song, can you?

I would've said that they stole it if the two versions really had been very similar.
Author:  jfauser [ Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:45 pm ]
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:snacks:
Author:  Bruce [ Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:45 pm ]
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ZepHead wrote:
Bruce wrote:
But you can't deny that they stole the song, can you?

I would've said that they stole it if the two versions really had been very similar.


You clearly don't know shit about copyright laws.
Author:  Bruce [ Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:46 pm ]
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jfauser wrote:
:snacks:


LOL
Author:  ZepHead [ Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:10 pm ]
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Bruce wrote:
ZepHead wrote:
Bruce wrote:
But you can't deny that they stole the song, can you?

I would've said that they stole it if the two versions really had been very similar.


You clearly don't know shit about copyright laws.

Agreed, I don't know much about them, but I know that hey have nothing to do with the criteria, at least in this case.
Author:  Bruce [ Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:17 pm ]
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ZepHead wrote:
Bruce wrote:
ZepHead wrote:
Bruce wrote:
But you can't deny that they stole the song, can you?

I would've said that they stole it if the two versions really had been very similar.


You clearly don't know shit about copyright laws.

Agreed, I don't know much about them, but I know that hey have nothing to do with the criteria, at least in this case.


Sure they do. The criteria on influence gives the direct influence to the original version of the song. Zep only gets secondary influence on all of the songs that they appropriated from other artists.

That's why people here think that the Who were more influential.
Author:  ClashWho [ Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:24 pm ]
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ZepHead wrote:
But you can't deny that Zep's and Holmes' versions are disparate, can you?


So are Mose Allison and The Who's versions of "Young Man Blues", but The Who still gave FULL writing credit to Mose Allison, because they aren't greedy, dishonest assholes.
Author:  ClashWho [ Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:33 pm ]
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ZepHead wrote:
It's almost tangible that Zeppelin wins in influence and popularity pretty easily, and I don't understand how The Who is more acclaimed by peers. Almost every goddamn musician from the 60's, 70's, and 80's praises Zeppelin to death.


Musical impact is primarily response to your work by your peers soon after its release. The Who cleans up on that. Led Zeppelin's work wasn't nearly as appreciated in its own time.

As for influence, there are extremely few major rock artists strongly influenced by Led Zeppelin that aren't also strongly influenced by The Who. But there are a slew of major rock artists strongly influenced by The Who who have little to no Led Zeppelin influence. We're talking artists like Jimi Hendrix, David Bowie, Pink Floyd, Neil Young, Elvis Costello, The Clash, U2, Green Day, and on and on. It's not even close, man.
Author:  Bruno [ Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:34 pm ]
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Bruce wrote:
That's why people here think that the Who were more influential.

At least, Sampson's list think different:


1. Elvis Presley
2. The Beatles
3. James Brown
4. Bob Dylan
5. Chuck Berry
6. Run-D.M.C.
7. The Jimi Hendrix Experience
8. Ray Charles
9. Led Zeppelin
10. Fats Domino
11. Aretha Franklin
12. Clyde McPhatter
13. Little Richard
14. Madonna
15. Buddy Holly & The Crickets
16. Bill Haley & The Comets
17. Michael Jackson
18. The Beach Boys
19. Sam Cooke
20. The Who
Author:  ClashWho [ Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:36 pm ]
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Sampson's just wrong on that one. It happens.
Author:  jfauser [ Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:57 pm ]
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Didn't the Beach Boys steal from Chuck Berry...
Author:  Negative Creep [ Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:54 pm ]
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ClashWho wrote:
ZepHead wrote:
Negative Creep wrote:
Because The Who have influence extending past hard rock and metal.
They are also objectively the greater live band than Zeppelin.

They are very close by the criteria though.
As for influence on hard rock and metal, I completely disagree -- Led Zeppelin was the progenitor of hard rock and metal along with Sabbath and Purple.


First, you didn't understand what Negative Creep was saying (which is that The Who's influence extends further beyond hard rock and heavy metal than Led Zeppelin's does). Second, Led Zeppelin is not a progenitor of hard rock. They didn't release anything until 1969. Hard rock was already thriving by then. The progenitors of hard rock are The Kinks, The Who, Cream, The Jimi Hendrix Experience, The Jefferson Airplane, Steppenwolf, and less successful/enduring artists such as The Sonics, Blue Cheer, The Amboy Dukes, and Iron Butterfly, among others. The groundbreaking efforts of those acts are a big part of why Led Zeppelin was such a huge success right out of the gate. The stage had been set.


Beautiful post.
Not to nit-pick, but I wouldnt consider Jefferson Airplane hard rock.
Also, Link Wray!
Author:  Bruce [ Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:50 am ]
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ClashWho wrote:
ZepHead wrote:
But you can't deny that Zep's and Holmes' versions are disparate, can you?


So are Mose Allison and The Who's versions of "Young Man Blues", but The Who still gave FULL writing credit to Mose Allison, because they aren't greedy, dishonest assholes.


Whoa......the Who stole both sides of their first single, the one they released as the High Numbers in 1964.
Author:  The Seeker [ Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:14 am ]
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ZepHead wrote:
Stavros678 wrote:
Dazed and Confused, Stairway to Heaven, ect.

Stairway to Heaven has nothing to do with "stealing". Its intro riff was only inspired by Spirit's "Taurus". Jimmy had no reason to give Spirit a credit.

Bruce wrote:
And "Dazed And Confused" was not an old blues song, it was done by Jake Holmes a couple of year before Zep stole it.

The lyrics are different; Zep's version includes an incredible vocal performance by Plant, not to mention the mindblowing guitar solo. It's not exactly stealing.


Most of us here love Zeppelin, but you are wearing those fanboy blinkers again. A 'great vocal performance and guitar solo' doesn't change the fact that the song was not original.

Try explaining all these - each of which ended up with Zeppelin losing a plagiarism court case or settling out of court.

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