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I believe we're defining musical impact as initial and lasting praise from other artists in the industry, correct?

It is nearly impossible to say who wins this between Hendrix and Jackson.
Both are into the stratosphere when it comes to collective praise from other artists.

I see Hendrix taking influence, Jackson taking popularity, and musical impact and cultural impact are up in the air.

I mean, I think Hendrix scores well in culturall impact, but not to compare with MJ and Madonna, who are in the top 5 on this criterion, imo.

If I were to make a list, Hendrix would be in the top 15 overall.

I think Stevie's cultural impact is highly overstated.

I would probably say the top tier artists in cultural impact are these -

Elvis, Beatles, Madonna, MJ, Fats Domino, Little Richard, Nirvana, James Brown, Public Enemy, Run DMC, NWA, Jay-Z, Eminem, Bob Dylan, Janis Joplin....

Probably a few I'm forgetting, but those spring to mind immediately.

Bruno wrote:

I don't see him in the top 15 at all. A big part of the problem is that he wasn't around that long. Combining that with his lack of hit singles, and he's way behind the other top artists in popularity--he didn't sell singles or get heavy radio play, he didn't fill arenas for years, and while he had some big albums, he didn't sell as many albums as someone like Zep or Pink Floyd did.

Where does he make that up? Yeah, his musical impact is huge--but there aren't too many contenders here who don't score well in that category. And, again, it's really only a few years of albums and touring that made that impact. He's influential, but he certainly didn't spawn a new genre the way James Brown or arguably Zep did, nor did he have the kind of influence that, say, The Who did by having an impact on multiple genres and inventing the rock opera. I don't see all that much cultural impact...I mean, yeah, he's iconic, but he didn't change the world the way the Beatles, Elvis, and Dylan did, and he didn't influence fashion and dance the way MJ and Madonna did.

I wouldn't put him in the top 20.

Author:	Negative Creep [ Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:38 pm ]
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Actually I dont think that's one of my best arguments...

Author:	Stryder [ Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:12 pm ]
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Musical Impact goes to Jimi. I'm sure NC will agree.

Author:	Negative Creep [ Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:16 pm ]
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I believe we're defining musical impact as initial and lasting praise from other artists in the industry, correct? It is nearly impossible to say who wins this between Hendrix and Jackson. Both are into the stratosphere when it comes to collective praise from other artists. I see Hendrix taking influence, Jackson taking popularity, and musical impact and cultural impact are up in the air.

Author:	Rickymaivia [ Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:53 pm ]
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Musical Impact: Maybe a tie... Influence: JH Cultural Impact: Tie Popularity: MJ Madonna vs. JH: Musical Impact: JH Influence: JH Cultural Impact: Tie Popularity: Madonna

Author:	Bruno [ Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:10 pm ]
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I wanted someone to explain to me how Hendrix ties or beats Jackson in cultural impact. The only ones who can beat Jackson in this regard would be Elvis, Beatles and MAYBE Madonna.

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Author:	Brian [ Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:16 pm ]
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Bruno, I wouldn't go that far, but I agree that MJ beats Hendrix in cultural impact. And I'd also like to hear an explanation of the nature of Jimi's cultural impact from someone who thinks he does extremely well in it. Negative Creep wrote: I believe we're defining musical impact as initial and lasting praise from other artists in the industry, correct? It is nearly impossible to say who wins this between Hendrix and Jackson. Both are into the stratosphere when it comes to collective praise from other artists. I see Hendrix taking influence, Jackson taking popularity, and musical impact and cultural impact are up in the air. Here's how it's defined. I bolded "at the time" because technically, "lasting praise" isn't a factor. "Musical Impact: The reaction within the music industry as a whole to an artist's work. This differs from influence because not all artists are even able to be influenced by things they admire. Different styles, different abilities, different audiences and different musical goals and a sense of creative independence means that artists many times would prefer to follow their own path, but their appreciation for another artist's achievements elevates the stature of that artist in the industry. This attempts to accurately determine what music was turning the most heads within their own community at the time, what was seen as raising the creative bar and set new benchmarks to strive to surpass. It is the peer recognition factor of the criteria."

Author:	Bruno [ Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:25 pm ]
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I mean, I think Hendrix scores well in culturall impact, but not to compare with MJ and Madonna, who are in the top 5 on this criterion, imo. If I were to make a list, Hendrix would be in the top 15 overall.

Author:	Brian [ Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:32 pm ]
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I would think that would be a little high for both of them. I'm starting to look at the ordering of the 9-15 part of the list, and I'm tentatively figuring that Stevie Wonder, Aretha Franklin, and Fats Domino all beat MJ in cultural impact.

Author:	Negative Creep [ Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:01 pm ]
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I think Stevie's cultural impact is highly overstated. I would probably say the top tier artists in cultural impact are these - Elvis, Beatles, Madonna, MJ, Fats Domino, Little Richard, Nirvana, James Brown, Public Enemy, Run DMC, NWA, Jay-Z, Eminem, Bob Dylan, Janis Joplin.... Probably a few I'm forgetting, but those spring to mind immediately.

Author:	Stryder [ Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:28 pm ]
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Led Zeppelin.

Author:	Brett Alan [ Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:41 pm ]
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Bruno wrote: I mean, I think Hendrix scores well in culturall impact, but not to compare with MJ and Madonna, who are in the top 5 on this criterion, imo. If I were to make a list, Hendrix would be in the top 15 overall. I don't see him in the top 15 at all. A big part of the problem is that he wasn't around that long. Combining that with his lack of hit singles, and he's way behind the other top artists in popularity--he didn't sell singles or get heavy radio play, he didn't fill arenas for years, and while he had some big albums, he didn't sell as many albums as someone like Zep or Pink Floyd did. Where does he make that up? Yeah, his musical impact is huge--but there aren't too many contenders here who don't score well in that category. And, again, it's really only a few years of albums and touring that made that impact. He's influential, but he certainly didn't spawn a new genre the way James Brown or arguably Zep did, nor did he have the kind of influence that, say, The Who did by having an impact on multiple genres and inventing the rock opera. I don't see all that much cultural impact...I mean, yeah, he's iconic, but he didn't change the world the way the Beatles, Elvis, and Dylan did, and he didn't influence fashion and dance the way MJ and Madonna did. I wouldn't put him in the top 20.

Author:	Brian [ Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:05 pm ]
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I assumed when I responded that Bruno meant top 15 in cultural impact, but now I see that he said "overall", so I think I misunderstood. But he's probably not quite top 15 overall either. He's at #16 at the moment, and I don't see how any of the 15 ahead of him could belong behind him.

Author:	Stryder [ Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:28 pm ]
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1. The Beatles 2. Elvis Presley 3. James Brown 4. Bob Dylan 5. Chuck Berry 6. Led Zeppelin 7. The Rolling Stones 8. The Who 9. Ray Charles 10. Stevie Wonder

Author:	ClashWho [ Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:59 pm ]
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Negative Creep wrote: I think Stevie's cultural impact is highly overstated. I would probably say the top tier artists in cultural impact are these - Elvis, Beatles, Madonna, MJ, Fats Domino, Little Richard, Nirvana, James Brown, Public Enemy, Run DMC, NWA, Jay-Z, Eminem, Bob Dylan, Janis Joplin.... Probably a few I'm forgetting, but those spring to mind immediately. Quite a few of those are head-scratchers. What's the cultural impact of Janis Joplin and Jay-Z? Why would Public Enemy have more cultural impact than The Rolling Stones, Chuck Berry or The Who?

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Author:	Bruno [ Sun Oct 07, 2012 1:42 am ]
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Brett Alan wrote: Bruno wrote: I mean, I think Hendrix scores well in culturall impact, but not to compare with MJ and Madonna, who are in the top 5 on this criterion, imo. If I were to make a list, Hendrix would be in the top 15 overall. I don't see him in the top 15 at all. A big part of the problem is that he wasn't around that long. Combining that with his lack of hit singles, and he's way behind the other top artists in popularity--he didn't sell singles or get heavy radio play, he didn't fill arenas for years, and while he had some big albums, he didn't sell as many albums as someone like Zep or Pink Floyd did. Where does he make that up? Yeah, his musical impact is huge--but there aren't too many contenders here who don't score well in that category. And, again, it's really only a few years of albums and touring that made that impact. He's influential, but he certainly didn't spawn a new genre the way James Brown or arguably Zep did, nor did he have the kind of influence that, say, The Who did by having an impact on multiple genres and inventing the rock opera. I don't see all that much cultural impact...I mean, yeah, he's iconic, but he didn't change the world the way the Beatles, Elvis, and Dylan did, and he didn't influence fashion and dance the way MJ and Madonna did. I wouldn't put him in the top 20. Good post, Brett. On second thought, I think Hendrix dispute somewhere between 16-20 on the list. The other contestants were Richard, Springsteen, Gaye, Cooke, Prince, U2, Floyd and maybe Queen.