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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 9:07 pm 
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Timitzii wrote:
What the hell is your problem with 90's anyway? Those were some of the best times for music because there were so many different groups making good music with emotion and love for it. (Subjective, yes, but the uniqueness of many groups and artists back then was huge).


I never said Nirvana was NOT popular, I just wasn't sure worldwide. I do not HATE the 90's by anymeans, I love the 90's, and my favorite post 70's bands are Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden and Tool (though I do RESPECT Nirvana a lot, and I like Teen spirit). I also like Radiohead. I HATE the 00's. Other than Coldplay, not a single good band, IMO, showed up except maybe the White Stripes. I don't hate the 90's, I loved them, but I think it's a period where music dropped significantly compared to 60's/70's. Only reason 80's weren't there was because some of the old bands were still producing good music, and The Police/Prince/MJ ran the scene, and they were all, IMO, pretty talented. And I still love Iron Maiden and Judas Priest.

I don't hate any decade but the 00's. I don't have a problem with the music, I'm just saying it's nowhere near as good as 60's/70's music, that's all.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
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I think you may need to do a lot more research in to the 00s. There is SO much good music from that decade (and continuing into this decade). Perhaps you need to reconsider your approach to what you consider good music.

There's probably just as much (if not more) good music around then there has ever been, you just have to be proactive about it.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 11:34 pm 
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Timitzii wrote:
I do think that '00s have had lot of great artists (though I still don't like '00s that much compared to 90's or something) but come on... Music's quality dropped in 90's? No way, Prince and MJ were still having huge careers, Judas Priest had got awesome comeback with Painkiller, Iron Maiden were having OK-era (Better than No Rest for the Wicked) and there were tons of awesome artists from many different genres with stuff like alternative rock and hip hop being huge.


by 90's 00's I mean new artists who started off there, Jeff Beck and Clapton, two of my favorite musicians, had near peaks in the 90's (unplugged etc.). I'm talking about NEW artists who arose at that time, because they older artists who remained were evolving their music consistently over the years, so it was expected to be good.

Painkiller is one of my favorite albums by the way.

Alright, how should I put it, I still don't think you guys get what I'm saying, maybe you do and I'm derping. New 00's bands? I LOVE Queen's of the Stone Age, I have a lot of their albums and think their music is awesome, sounds good, and is great to listen or jam out to. I also like Them Crooked Vultures album. For a while Kings of Leon was pretty alright, and I still listen to Muse, I have an album or two, and I listen to Children of Bodom as well. I like the Gorrilaz and I still love Chili Peppers, 90's and now (still one of my favorite bands), and for a while I had the biggest Green Day obsession. These are all good bands with good music to listen to, but are any of them on the same level of composition, complexity, depth, and skill as those 60's and 70's bands I mentioned? No, they are light years away. Does this make more sense? I don't 'hate' these decades, and I don't think the music is terrible music, well I kinda am, but in two different ways. There is from the 'is this fun to listen to and enjoyable music with some depth?' and there's the 'is this music compositionally complex with complementary instruments that build mood on the lyrics with a unique feeling while combining a certain amount of admirable skill and creativity?'. I say no to that. I just heard (and saw a live version) "When the Music's Over" by the Door's again, I have never been so affected by a song in years. The power of his screams and the creepy mood matched with the lyrics made all my hairs stand on end, and every cell in my body went wild with lust and fear when he screamed. The entire song with it's lyrics, the slow down, the powerful drums, and lulling keys set a mood unlike anything you see today.

Stuff like that.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
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One last statement about the 90's. One artist came very close in my opinion with his song, if not achieved it, to be greater than MANY of the 60's/70's band songs. I'm surprised this song didn't chart 1 and is not more popular than Teen spirit. I'm talking about Grace by Jeff Buckley. Vocal talent, mixed with beautiful lyrics, and heavy emotion, thrown in with instruments that compound off eachother musically and fuse to set a haunting mood that holds you through the song, till the very end. Beautiful, beautiful piece, haven't seen anything remotely like it by new 00's/90's bands. As I said, this doesn't include people like Clapton, since he was around way before. Tears in Heaven is another one of my favorites.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 11:46 pm 
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I don't even know why you keep going on. All the crap that you're spouting has little to no relevance to this thread, and you're basically just stating your really long-winded opinion. Go somewhere else if you wanna whine about how the 90's and 00's were lacking 'complexity, composition, depth and skill'. Nobody really cares.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
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Machine Head wrote:
Go somewhere else if you wanna whine about how the 90's and 00's were lacking 'complexity, composition, depth and skill'.


Which is complete bullshit anyways.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
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SanTropez wrote:
Machine Head wrote:
Go somewhere else if you wanna whine about how the 90's and 00's were lacking 'complexity, composition, depth and skill'.


Which is complete bullshit anyways.


I'll stop, but you guys are acting like Echoes now. "Your opinion is stupid, and all we can say about it is it's bullshit and you're stupid"
None of you have said anything but I'm wrong, haven't even tried to prove it.
In all fairness, you guys are yet to put a band from the 90's with greater skill and complexity than The Who or Queen, and those aren't even the tip of the iceberg for those decades (well, maybe the Who is)


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
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Ace of Spades wrote:
Dream Theater.


Missed the conversation. I said Dream Theater and Tool are the only ones that I consider still great. I said that along time ago.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
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Timitzii wrote:
"Smells Like Teen Spirit" caused musical revolution, swept glam metal aside and started new times for music where emotion, uniqueness and creativity (mostly) led the scene. If one band suddenly gets so popular that it takes away Michael Jackson's place in Billboard and gets HUGE critical praises, I don't think they are forgotten just like that. And Nevermind is still getting called as one of the greatest albums of all time (usually appearing in top 25): if this doesn't prove something, nothing does.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
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Classic Rock Junkie wrote:
SanTropez wrote:
Machine Head wrote:
Go somewhere else if you wanna whine about how the 90's and 00's were lacking 'complexity, composition, depth and skill'.


Which is complete bullshit anyways.


I'll stop, but you guys are acting like Echoes now. "Your opinion is stupid, and all we can say about it is it's bullshit and you're stupid"
None of you have said anything but I'm wrong, haven't even tried to prove it.
In all fairness, you guys are yet to put a band from the 90's with greater skill and complexity than The Who or Queen, and those aren't even the tip of the iceberg for those decades (well, maybe the Who is)


Relax Junkie. Nirvana, Pearl Jam, RHCP, Radiohead, etc. will be classic rock sooner or later. I love music from the 60´s as much as I love music from the 90´s. It is a shame that you don’t see it that way.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
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Underground music is where most of the creativity is happening anyways (same as with probably all decades).


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
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Classic Rock Junkie wrote:
I'll stop, but you guys are acting like Echoes now. "Your opinion is stupid, and all we can say about it is it's bullshit and you're stupid"


WE'RE acting like Echoes? You're just a long-winded version of him. What you're arguing about is just YOUR opinion and has absolutely nothing to do with the list. Your whole opinion rampage began when you said something about the 00's sucking coz' Britney Spears was near the top, which is bullshit. You can't judge an ENTIRE decade's worth of music based on your opinion of one artist.

Classic Rock Junkie wrote:
None of you have said anything but I'm wrong, haven't even tried to prove it.


1.) It's your opinion, how are we going to prove you wrong?
2.) Why would we try? There's no point, the crap you're spouting has no relevance to this list, and nobody really wants to argue with you anyway.

Classic Rock Junkie wrote:
In all fairness, you guys are yet to put a band from the 90's with greater skill and complexity than The Who or Queen, and those aren't even the tip of the iceberg for those decades (well, maybe the Who is)


Why should we? It doesn't have anything to do with the greatest rock artists of all time. Why do you keep trying to get us to give you examples of more skilled and complex bands than those two? You are just so frustrating it's almost unbelievable.


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
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Machine Head wrote:
Why should we? It doesn't have anything to do with the greatest rock artists of all time. Why do you keep trying to get us to give you examples of more skilled and complex bands than those two? You are just so frustrating it's almost unbelievable.


Someone's angry cause' they got TROLLED. I like the 90's, I don't like the 00's. But I had fun with this rampage of bull. You got pretty worked up over an OPINION buddy, I kept saying it was my opinion anyways glad you caught it. Lolz, calm down dude. It's not like I was asking for a forced list change :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
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Classic Rock Junkie wrote:
Someone's angry cause' they got TROLLED. I like the 90's, I don't like the 00's. But I had fun with this rampage of bull. You got pretty worked up over an OPINION buddy, I kept saying it was my opinion anyways glad you caught it. Lolz, calm down bro.


b&


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 Post subject: Re: 100 Greatest Rock Artists (under revision)
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Machine Head wrote:
Classic Rock Junkie wrote:
Someone's angry cause' they got TROLLED. I like the 90's, I don't like the 00's. But I had fun with this rampage of bull. You got pretty worked up over an OPINION buddy, I kept saying it was my opinion anyways glad you caught it. Lolz, calm down bro.


b&


Oh, looks like we're throwing out some big threats now. Relax dude, I didn't know you'd get this pissed. If it's that bad I won't do it again. Promise :wink:


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