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Author:  gminer [ Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:08 pm ]
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Rock N Herbs wrote:
pauldrach wrote:
Negative Creep wrote:
Also, I'm thinking Scorpions for top 30.

Anyone agree?

Let's try to get #'s 21-25 right first.

And I probably disagree.


21. Rush
22. King Crimson
23. The Kinks
24. Boston
25. Bad Company


... have to tell you I can`t recall ever calling Bad Company or Boston hard rock .... regardless of designation, Grand Funk would be a far far superior choice ... and GFR had truly hard rock albums in their early days starting in 1969, not just the odd tune hear and there on an album once in awhile .... Take care
Author:  Brett Alan [ Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:37 pm ]
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Negative Creep wrote:
ClashWho wrote:
Negative Creep wrote:
Van Halen, on the other hand, were phenomenally huge with Roth, and that prime period was about seven years, nearly twice as long as Purple's Mark II personnel.


And Van Halen became even bigger with Hagar.


And nowhere near as influential or acclaimed as the Roth years.

I mean seriously, who the fuck was influenced by candy-ass radio songs like "Why Cant This Be Love"?
IMO, that's not Van Halen.


Well, Mr. Big seems to have based its sound on that stuff! "Just Take My Heart" sounds like a 5150 outtake, for example.

But, sure, VH under Hagar was not nearly as acclaimed or influential as they were in the Roth years. They were very successful, though.
Author:  ClashWho [ Fri Aug 31, 2012 7:03 pm ]
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pauldrach wrote:
You seem to have a pretty liberal definition of hard rock. I agree with "Minstrel in the Gallery", "Teacher" and "Cross-Eyed Mary" being hard rock tunes. I don't think they're necessarily among Tull's greatest songs.


They're all on their various "best of" collections. "Hymn 43" and "Locomotive Breath" aren't hard rock? "Aqualung" has its gentle passages, but its hallmark riff is heavy as fuck and it features a killer guitar solo.
Author:  gminer [ Fri Aug 31, 2012 7:39 pm ]
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Negative Creep wrote:
gminer wrote:
Negative Creep wrote:
Well you said it yourself there - "significantly less acclaimed and influential".


.. actually what I did say was ... "the collective sum of all DPs parts through each iteration has collectively a greater influence than the sum totals of VH as a direct comparison" ... I did not say each of the parts or iterations were equal to each other ... I was stating when adding them all together etc etc ... on another note VH is #461 in the album charts for the UK and 67 for the US ...... Take care


No no, that post was in response to paul, not you. :cheers:


Sorry about that, but having said that ... what do you think about the following .... Take care


Guitar - Ritchie Blackmore + Tommy Bolin + Steve Morse ....or Eddie Van Halen

Vocals - Rod Evans + Ian Gillan + Glen Hughes + Joe Lynn Turner ....or David Lee Roth + Sammy Hagar+ Gary Cherone

Bass - Nick Simper+ Roger Glover + Glen Hughes or ....Michael Anthony + Mark Stone + Wolfgang Van Halen

Drums - Ian Paice or .... Alex Van Halen

Keyboards - Jon Lord + Don Airey or ..... EVH, I suppose
Author:  gminer [ Fri Aug 31, 2012 7:47 pm ]
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Rock N Herbs wrote:
Perhaps we could say that about Bad Company but I would keep Boston in there. GFR is a great choice but not top 30 material.


GFR and the Top Selling Hard Rock Albums in the US by Year .... Take care

1969

LED ZEPPELIN - II :
LED ZEPPELIN - I :
JIMI HENDRIX - Smash Hits :
THE WHO - Tommy :
CREAM - Goodbye :
IRON BUTTERFLY - Ball :
CREAM - Best Of Cream :
STEPPENWOLF - Monster :
GRAND FUNK RAILROAD - On Time :
JEFF BECK GROUP - Beck-Ola :

1970

LED ZEPPELIN - III :
GRAND FUNK RAILROAD - Live Album :
GRAND FUNK RAILROAD - Closer To Home :
JIMI HENDRIX - Band Of Gypsies :
BLACK SABBATH - Black Sabbath :
GRAND FUNK RAILROAD - Grand Funk :
STEPPENWOLF - Live :
MOUNTAIN - Climbing! :
JIMI HENDRIX/OTIS REDDING - Monterey :
STEPPENWOLF - 7 :
JAMES GANG - Rides Again :
DEEP PURPLE - In Rock :

1971

LED ZEPPELIN - IV :
BLACK SABBATH - Paranoid :
JETHRO TULL - Aqualung :
THE WHO - Who's Next :
BLACK SABBATH - Master Of Reality
ALICE COOPER - Killer :
GRAND FUNK RAILROAD - Survival :
GRAND FUNK RAILROAD - E Pluribus Funk :
JIMI HENDRIX - The Cry Of Love :
ALICE COOPER - Love It To Death :
DEEP PURPLE - Fireball :

1972

DEEP PURPLE - Machine Head :
EDGAR WINTER - They Only Come Out At Night :
DEEP PURPLE - Made In Japan :
BLACK SABBATH - Vol. 4 :
ALICE COOPER - School's Out :
JIMI HENDRIX - Hendrix In The West :
GRAND FUNK RAILROAD - Mark, Don & Mel :
HUMBLE PIE - Smokin' :
GRAND FUNK RAILROAD - Phoenix :
URIAH HEEP - Demons & Wizards :
URIAH HEEP - The Magicians Birthday :
FOGHAT - Foghat :
REO SPEEDWAGON - R.E.O. T.W.O. :
JEFF BECK GROUP - Jeff Beck group :

1973

LED ZEPPELIN - Houses Of The Holy :
AEROSMITH - Aerosmith :
LYNYRD SKYNYRD - Pronounced Leh-Nerd Skin-Nerd :
ALICE COOPER - Billion Dollar Babies :
BLACK SABBATH - Sabbath Bloody Sabbath :
GRAND FUNK RAILROAD - We're An American Band:
MONTROSE - Montrose :
STEPPENWOLF - 16 Greatest Hits :
DEEP PURPLE - Who Do We Think We Are :
ZZ TOP - Tres Hombres :
ALICE COOPER - Muscle Of Love :
URIAH HEEP - Live :
URIAH HEEP - Sweet Freedom :
BACHMAN-TURNER OVERDRIVE - Bachman-Turner Overdrive II:
BACHMAN-TURNER OVERDRIVE - Bachman-Turner Overdrive :
GOLDEN EARRING - Moontan :
JOE WALSH - The Smoker You Drink :
QUEEN - Queen :
MOUNTAIN - Best Of :
BECK, BOGART & APPICE - Beck, Bogart & Appice :
STYX - Styx II :

1974

BAD COMPANY - Bad Company :
AEROSMITH - Get Your Wings :
LYNYRD SKYNYRD - Second Helping :
ALICE COOPER - Greatest Hits :
REO SPEEDWAGON - Ridin' The Storm Out :
DEEP PURPLE - Burn :
BACHMAN-TURNER OVERDRIVE - Not Fragile :
GRAND FUNK RAILROAD - Shinin' On :
DEEP PURPLE - Stormbringer :
FOGHAT - Energized :
FOGHAT - R'n'R Outlaws :
GRAND FUNK RAILROAD - All The Girls In The World Beware :
KISS - Kiss :
KISS - Hotter Than Hell :
LOU REED - R'n'R Animal :
QUEEN - Sheer Heart Attack :
RUSH - Rush :
BLUE ÖYSTER CULT - Secret Treaties :
Author:  ClashWho [ Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:11 pm ]
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gminer wrote:
1973

LED ZEPPELIN - Houses Of The Holy :
AEROSMITH - Aerosmith :
LYNYRD SKYNYRD - Pronounced Leh-Nerd Skin-Nerd :
ALICE COOPER - Billion Dollar Babies :
BLACK SABBATH - Sabbath Bloody Sabbath :
GRAND FUNK RAILROAD - We're An American Band:
MONTROSE - Montrose :
STEPPENWOLF - 16 Greatest Hits :
DEEP PURPLE - Who Do We Think We Are :
ZZ TOP - Tres Hombres :
ALICE COOPER - Muscle Of Love :
URIAH HEEP - Live :
URIAH HEEP - Sweet Freedom :
BACHMAN-TURNER OVERDRIVE - Bachman-Turner Overdrive II:
BACHMAN-TURNER OVERDRIVE - Bachman-Turner Overdrive :
GOLDEN EARRING - Moontan :
JOE WALSH - The Smoker You Drink :
QUEEN - Queen :
MOUNTAIN - Best Of :
BECK, BOGART & APPICE - Beck, Bogart & Appice :
STYX - Styx II :


I'm also having hard time believing all of those albums are bigger than Quadrophenia.
Author:  dmille [ Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:12 pm ]
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pauldrach wrote:
dmille wrote:
1968 was the beginning.

So, "You Really Got Me" or "My Generation" are not hard rock then? "Break On Through (To the Other Side)"? "Purple Haze"?


I am talking about hard rock as a fully defined genre separate from rock & roll or rock.
Author:  gminer [ Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:16 pm ]
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ClashWho wrote:
gminer wrote:
1973

LED ZEPPELIN - Houses Of The Holy :
AEROSMITH - Aerosmith :
LYNYRD SKYNYRD - Pronounced Leh-Nerd Skin-Nerd :
ALICE COOPER - Billion Dollar Babies :
BLACK SABBATH - Sabbath Bloody Sabbath :
GRAND FUNK RAILROAD - We're An American Band:
MONTROSE - Montrose :
STEPPENWOLF - 16 Greatest Hits :
DEEP PURPLE - Who Do We Think We Are :
ZZ TOP - Tres Hombres :
ALICE COOPER - Muscle Of Love :
URIAH HEEP - Live :
URIAH HEEP - Sweet Freedom :
BACHMAN-TURNER OVERDRIVE - Bachman-Turner Overdrive II:
BACHMAN-TURNER OVERDRIVE - Bachman-Turner Overdrive :
GOLDEN EARRING - Moontan :
JOE WALSH - The Smoker You Drink :
QUEEN - Queen :
MOUNTAIN - Best Of :
BECK, BOGART & APPICE - Beck, Bogart & Appice :
STYX - Styx II :


I'm also having hard time believing all of those albums are bigger than Quadrophenia.


The issue might be it wasn`t defined as hard rock for the purposes on this list .... Take care
Author:  ClashWho [ Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:24 pm ]
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gminer wrote:
ClashWho wrote:
I'm also having hard time believing all of those albums are bigger than Quadrophenia.


The issue might be it wasn`t defined as hard rock for the purposes on this list .... Take care


But they included Tommy for 1969 and Who's Next for 1971. Quadrophenia is harder rock than both.
Author:  Cruz [ Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:34 pm ]
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Judas Priest is greater than Soundgarden, Lizzy, and Motorhead.
Author:  gminer [ Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:35 pm ]
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ClashWho wrote:
gminer wrote:
ClashWho wrote:
I'm also having hard time believing all of those albums are bigger than Quadrophenia.


The issue might be it wasn`t defined as hard rock for the purposes on this list .... Take care


But they included Tommy for 1969 and Who's Next for 1971. Quadrophenia is harder rock than both.


That is the only reason I can think of as to why it would not be on the list ... Take care

You might find this interesting even though ....

Top 50 Albums of 1973
Worldwide:

1 Pink Floyd - Dark Side Of The Moon
2 Led Zeppelin - Houses Of The Holy
3 Elton John
Goodbye Yellow Brick Road
4 The Beatles - The Beatles 1967-1970
5 The Beatles - The Beatles 1962-1966
6 Deep Purple - Made In Japan
7 The Rolling Stones
Goat's Head Soup
8 Elton John - Don't Shoot Me I'm Only The Piano Player
9 Stevie Wonder - Innervisions
10 Carly Simon - No Secrets
11 Wings - Red Rose Speedway
12 Stevie Wonder - Talking Book
13 Slade - Slayed?
14 The Who - Quadrophenia
15 Neil Diamond
Jonathan Livingston Seagull
16 George Harrison
Living In The Material World
17 Neil Diamond - Hot August Night
18 Alice Cooper - Billion Dollar Babies
19 David Bowie - Aladdin Sane
20 Ringo Starr - Ringo
21 Paul Simon
There Goes Rhymin' Simon
22 Jethro Tull - A Passion Play
23 Deep Purple
Who Do We Think We Are
24 The Allman Brothers Band
Brothers & Sisters
25 Cat Stevens - Foreigner
26 Emerson, Lake & Palmer
Brain Salad Surgery
27 The Carpenters - Now & Then
28 Elvis Presley
Aloha From Hawaii Via Satellite
29 David Bowie - Pin-Ups
30 War - The World Is a Ghetto
31 Chicago - Chicago VI
32 John Lennon - Mind Games
33 Santana & John McLaughlin
Love, Devotion, Surrender
34 Black Sabbath
SAbbath Bloody SAbbath
35 Genesis
Selling England By The Pound
36 Bruce Springsteen - The Wild, The Innocent & The E Street Shuffle
37 Roberta Flack - Killing Me Softly
38 Slade - Sladest
39 Roxy Music - For Your Pleasure
40 Suzi Quatro - Suzi Quatro
41 Yes - Yessongs
42 Uriah Heep - Sweet Freedom
43 Grand Funk Railroad
We're An American Band
44 Diana Ross - Lady Sings The Blues
45 Ten Years After - Recorded Live
46 Uriah Heep - Live - January 1973
47 Santana - Welcome
48 Bette Midler - The Divine Miss M
49 Bruce Springsteen
Greetings From Asbury Park, N.J.
50 Marvin Gaye - Let's Get It On
Author:  Negative Creep [ Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:58 pm ]
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I'm not sure if Priest and Motorhead deserve such high placements, though they are definitely top 30-40 probably.

Gminer,
I have definitely not forgotten Grand Funk, but I cant see any real detectable influence or significant acclaim. I mean, they are huge, a lot of bands know them and praise them, but not to the same degree as many others that probably belong there first.
Ditto for UFO, not much overall acclaim because they never really made it as big as many of their contemporaries.
I think I agree on Heart though. They do pretty well in popularity and acclaim, even if not much in influence.

Herbs,
I thought about King Crimson, but overall their hard rock output is minimal at best. Schizoid Man is a great choice, but they only have a small handful of songs that could truly be 'hard rock'.
Author:  Zach [ Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:25 pm ]
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Rock N Herbs wrote:
Cruz wrote:
Judas Priest is greater than Soundgarden, Lizzy, and Motorhead.

As a matter of fact I did have them low:
21. Rush
22. Judas Priest
23. Soundgarden
24. Thin Lizzy
25. Motorhead


I don't believe Thin Lizzy deserves to be in this bracket; that's much too high for a band that only does moderately well by the criteria.

The rest of these artists, however, are at least worth considering -- particularly Judas Priest.
Author:  gminer [ Sat Sep 01, 2012 10:38 am ]
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Negative Creep wrote:
Gminer,
I have definitely not forgotten Grand Funk, but I cant see any real detectable influence or significant acclaim. I mean, they are huge, a lot of bands know them and praise them, but not to the same degree as many others that probably belong there first.


I haven`t forgotten them either and have started listening again to their early material .... and it just strikes what an absolutely wonderful band ... and such a great catalogue of exceptional tunes

for example ... from 1969 GFR and the tune Paranoid

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rppsj-8KQEo[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZM25ZG6ZZU[/youtube]
Author:  Negative Creep [ Sat Sep 01, 2012 11:27 am ]
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21. Rush
22. The Stooges
23. Rage Against The Machine
24. Def Leppard
25. Boston
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