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Author:  pauldrach [ Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:43 pm ]
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So, does this look good to everybody?

21. Rush
22. The Stooges
23. Red Hot Chili Peppers
24. Def Leppard
25. Boston

Author:  gminer [ Sat Sep 01, 2012 3:50 pm ]
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pauldrach wrote:
gminer wrote:
I know the rock guitar music of that era as well ... and the "hard rock" tunes that were released that year on a number of rock and psychedelic rock albums by the artists you mentioned and I would have purchased back in those days.... and DP introducing classical progressions and scales with a level of speed and complexity into live hard rock music or in the studio was innovative and new at the time as was the term hard rock or heavy rock, moving onto heavy hard rock etc ... Take care

As I said I would give Purple major influence on any progressive hard rock styles but I'd say Van Halen influenced styles that became bigger than what Purple influenced. I'm not denying that Purple was a very influential band. That's partly why they're as high as #7.


I disagree, Purple is one of the pioneer`s of hard rock and defined the sound to a generation and they were one of the grandfathers of heavy metal to speed and trash metal... they influenced the members of VH to Metallica to Iron Maiden to Aerosmith to Guns N Roses to Def Leppard to Rage Against the Machine to Motorhead and to all most evey band associated to the NWOBHM to countless hard rocks bands found in the four corners of the planet and so on .... they were on the ground floor and took their version of hard rock around the world in those days that was only matched by Zeppelin ........Take care

Bassist Michael Anthony (CHICKENFOOT, ex-VAN HALEN) has written the following tribute to former DEEP PURPLE/WHITESNAKE keyboardist JON LORD, who lost his battle with pancreatic cancer at age 71 yesterday (Monday, July 16th):

"I am deeply saddened to hear of Jon Lord's passing. Growing up listening to music, Jon Lord and Deep Purple had one of the biggest influences on me both vocally and musically. The first Deep Purple album I listened to was In Rock. The keyboards totally blew me away, and continued to do so on every one of their albums there after!! A huge piece of rock history for me is now gone. R.I.P. Jon. You were the best. My condolences go out to your family."

http://www.metallica.com/news/20120716-news.asp

A Master Passes
July 16, 2012

Ever since my father took me to see them in 1973 in Copenhagen, at the impressionable age of 9, Deep Purple has been the most constant, continuous and inspiring musical presence in my life. They have meant more to me than any other band in existence, and have had an enormous part in shaping who I am. So obviously I'm beyond bummed, saddened and devastated by today's news of the untimely passing of keyboardist Jon Lord.

We can all be guilty of lightly throwing adjectives like "unique," "one-of-a-kind" and "pioneering" around when we want to describe our heroes and the people who've moved us, but there are no more fitting words than those right now and there simply was no musician like Jon Lord in the history of hard rock. Nobody. Period.

There was nobody that played like him. There was nobody that sounded like him. There was nobody that wrote like him. There was nobody that looked like him. There was nobody more articulate, gentlemanly, warm, or fucking cooler that ever played keyboards or got anywhere near a keyboard. What he did was all his own. Including obviously his unique sound. Whatever it was he did with that Hammond organ, the way the Leslie distorted what he was playing and pushed it to some unheard of place, the way he attacked it while he was throwing it around, and whatever the fuck else it was that was going down between Jon and "The Beast", as he called his organ, it was unlike anything before, during or after. That simple.

Deep Purple of course was also an entity all their own, always unpredictable, often impulsive, never repetitive and most of the time, other worldly. I had the good fortune of seeing them three times in Copenhagen between ’73 and ’75, numerous times again on the reunion runs in ’85 and ’87. We even played a couple of gigs in Germany with them in the summer of ’87 and needless to say, every time was an experience that had a major impact on me. Seeing Jon on stage right playing the riffs, the colorings, the textures, the next level solos, intros, outros, blues bits, classical pieces and whatever else came into his head each night AND on top of that keeping up with Ritchie Blackmore song after song, night after night, was the sign of the master of his craft . . . the most accomplished, original and unique hard rock keyboardist that ever walked this planet.

In 1992 when we played Munich on the Black Album tour, Jon Lord and lead singer, Ian Gillan came down to the show and stood in the snake pit the whole time. I was in heaven. Performing in front of members of the band that had meant more to me than anything in my life was a dream come true. And when I got a signed note after the show that they had had to leave and get back to their milk and cookies and be ready for the recording sessions the next day, I was simply beyond psyched. My hero(es) in the fuckin snake pit.!!!!! "Look Mom, on top of the fuckin world!!"

....Full circle for the impressionable 9 year old from KB Hallen in Copenhagen in February '73.

Rest in peace Jon and THANK YOU for everything,

Lars

Author:  gminer [ Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:15 pm ]
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pauldrach wrote:
gminer wrote:
pauldrach wrote:
Nevertheless influence on a bigger genre should get a bigger weighting than influence on a less visible genre.


I suppose that fellow David Coverdale from Deep Purple later with his band Whitesnake, had little or know influence in this wonderful genre called hair metal .... this is all attributed to VH ... Take care

It should not all be attributed to Van Halen of course but Van Halen were far more visible during the formative years of glam metal than Whitesnake, who didn't achieve mainstream appeal in the US until the mid-80s. Also compare pictures of Van Halen and Whitesnake in 1978. VH are already much closer to the visual style of glam while Whitesnake look like your stereotypical hard rock act.


... the reverse of that is VH did not achieve mainstream appeal in the UK until the mid 80`s .... and one assumes you must be able to see the band to know it is hair metal rather than just hard rock ..... if they shave their heads or wore hats would the music sound different or just be hard rock? .... Take care

Author:  pauldrach [ Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:28 pm ]
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gminer wrote:
I disagree, Purple is one of the pioneer`s of hard rock and defined the sound to a generation and they were one of the grandfathers of heavy metal to speed and trash metal... they influenced the members of VH to Metallica to Iron Maiden to Aerosmith to Guns N Roses to Def Leppard to Rage Against the Machine to Motorhead and to all most evey band associated to the NWOBHM to countless hard rocks bands found in the four corners of the planet and so on .... they were on the ground floor and took their version of hard rock around the world in those days that was only matched by Zeppelin ........Take care

But what you described in that post sounds more like musical impact to me, admiration from fellow hard rock musicians. Influence means innovating/popularizing something. They made hard rock more complex, more musically advanced but the most popular hard rock is not very complex or musically advanced. What else did they do that was absolutely new? What can be found in Def Leppard's music, or in Motörhead's that is undeniably a Deep Purple invention?

Author:  gminer [ Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:36 pm ]
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pauldrach wrote:
gminer wrote:
I disagree, Purple is one of the pioneer`s of hard rock and defined the sound to a generation and they were one of the grandfathers of heavy metal to speed and trash metal... they influenced the members of VH to Metallica to Iron Maiden to Aerosmith to Guns N Roses to Def Leppard to Rage Against the Machine to Motorhead and to all most evey band associated to the NWOBHM to countless hard rocks bands found in the four corners of the planet and so on .... they were on the ground floor and took their version of hard rock around the world in those days that was only matched by Zeppelin ........Take care

But what you described in that post sounds more like musical impact to me, admiration from fellow hard rock musicians. Influence means innovating/popularizing something. They made hard rock more complex, more musically advanced but the most popular hard rock is not very complex or musically advanced. What else did they do that was absolutely new? What can be found in Def Leppard's music, or in Motörhead's that is undeniably a Deep Purple invention?


... start with your same test with Van Halen ... EVH popularizing tapping? ... and then apply it to the Blackmore era of Purple as one small example or the Tommy Bolin era of Purple or the Steve Morse era of Purple .... Take care

from 1970 the hard rock single Black Night ... check the guitar solo at 1:25 forward .... and this was one of the biggest singles around the globe in that year

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHlODWd4GeM[/youtube]

Author:  pauldrach [ Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:43 pm ]
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gminer wrote:
... the reverse of that is VH did not achieve mainstream appeal in the UK until the mid 80`s ....

But that is not true. VH had their first UK top 40 album before Whitesnake. In 1980 "Women and Children First" went to #15.

gminer wrote:
and one assumes you must be able to see the band to know it is hair metal rather than just hard rock ..... if they shave their heads or wore hats would the music sound different or just be hard rock? .... Take care

I do think that the hair metal bands sounded somewhat different and that the scene defined itself more via a similar visual appearance than a similar sound.

Author:  pauldrach [ Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:47 pm ]
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gminer wrote:
... start with your same test with Van Halen ... EVH popularizing tapping? ...

They spearheaded the hair metal movement. They were the main catalyst for a whole new brand of pop-influenced hard rock bands breaking into the mainstream and keeping hard rock alive on mainstream radio throughout the 1980s.

gminer wrote:
and then apply it to the Blackmore era of Purple as one small example or the Tommy Bolin era of Purple or the Steve Morse era of Purple .... Take care

I think you're more competent to do this than me. (= I don't see what you're getting at.)

EDIT: Oh, you mean tapping? But Blackmore wasn't the first one to use it, was he?

Author:  gminer [ Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:53 pm ]
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pauldrach wrote:
gminer wrote:
... the reverse of that is VH did not achieve mainstream appeal in the UK until the mid 80`s ....

But that is not true. VH had their first UK top 40 album before Whitesnake. In 1980 "Women and Children First" went to #15.

gminer wrote:
and one assumes you must be able to see the band to know it is hair metal rather than just hard rock ..... if they shave their heads or wore hats would the music sound different or just be hard rock? .... Take care

I do think that the hair metal bands sounded somewhat different and that the scene defined itself more via a similar visual appearance than a similar sound.


It is true... it only charted for a total of 7 weeks ... Take care

WOMEN AND CHILDREN FIRST
Produced by: Ted Templeman
Date: 05/04/1980 - Run: 29-*15*-21-36-45-59-0-70

.. followed by

FAIR WARNING
Produced by: Ted Templeman
Date: 23/05/1981 - Run: 53-*49*-51-70

Author:  pauldrach [ Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:56 pm ]
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Hm, ok, still better than Whitesnake in the US.

Author:  gminer [ Sat Sep 01, 2012 5:07 pm ]
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pauldrach wrote:
gminer wrote:
... start with your same test with Van Halen ... EVH popularizing tapping? ...

They spearheaded the hair metal movement. They were the main catalyst for a whole new brand of pop-influenced hard rock bands breaking into the mainstream and keeping hard rock alive on mainstream radio throughout the 1980s.

gminer wrote:
and then apply it to the Blackmore era of Purple as one small example or the Tommy Bolin era of Purple or the Steve Morse era of Purple .... Take care

I think you're more competent to do this than me. (= I don't see what you're getting at.)

EDIT: Oh, you mean tapping? But Blackmore wasn't the first one to use it, was he?


So your main point for VH is they influenced pop inspired hard rock and kept hard rock alive on mainstream radio in the US during the 70`s.

On the tapping point, I had assumed you were giving VH influence points from the fact EVH had popularized tapping and brought it into the mainstream and spawned a generation of tappers .... and then one could take a similar approach to Blackmore in Purple as one of the first so called shedders, the use of classical progressions and scales, introducing sweep picking to rock, extreme vibrato inspiring Floyd Rose onto EVH etc .... and then there are the other members of the band ... Take care

Author:  gminer [ Sat Sep 01, 2012 5:15 pm ]
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pauldrach wrote:
Hm, ok, still better than Whitesnake in the US.


.. on a side note have you ever listened to any Morse era Purple ... Take care

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4wpYIaF4wU[/youtube]

Author:  gminer [ Sat Sep 01, 2012 5:25 pm ]
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gminer wrote:
pauldrach wrote:
gminer wrote:
... the reverse of that is VH did not achieve mainstream appeal in the UK until the mid 80`s ....

But that is not true. VH had their first UK top 40 album before Whitesnake. In 1980 "Women and Children First" went to #15.

gminer wrote:
and one assumes you must be able to see the band to know it is hair metal rather than just hard rock ..... if they shave their heads or wore hats would the music sound different or just be hard rock? .... Take care

I do think that the hair metal bands sounded somewhat different and that the scene defined itself more via a similar visual appearance than a similar sound.


It is true... it only charted for a total of 7 weeks ... Take care

WOMEN AND CHILDREN FIRST
Produced by: Ted Templeman
Date: 05/04/1980 - Run: 29-*15*-21-36-45-59-0-70

.. followed by

FAIR WARNING
Produced by: Ted Templeman
Date: 23/05/1981 - Run: 53-*49*-51-70


DIVER DOWN
Produced by: Ted Templeman
Date: 01/05/1982 - Run: 38-*36*-52-68-88

... and Whitesnake in the US at the same time

READY & WILLING
Produced by: Martin Birch
Date: 16/08/1980 - Run: 160-150-112-102-94-*90*-96-94-131-137-137-147-157-169-198-198 (16 wks)

LIVE... IN THE HEART OF THE CITY
Date: 27/12/1980 - Run: 190-190-180-171-160-150-*146*-155-166-178-195-200 (12 wks)

COME AN' GET IT
Date: 30/05/1981 - Run: 190-180-170-162-*151*-151 (6 wks)

... and from 1976 the Tommy Bolin era Purple ..

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miTazBMmWNE[/youtube]

Author:  gminer [ Sat Sep 01, 2012 9:19 pm ]
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Rock N Herbs wrote:
pauldrach wrote:
So, does this look good to everybody?

21. Rush
22. The Stooges
23. Red Hot Chili Peppers
24. Def Leppard
25. Boston


Good to Me. :thumb:


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4A5FygpiMw[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mkut9hN52Ao[/youtube]

Author:  gminer [ Sat Sep 01, 2012 9:34 pm ]
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Author:  gminer [ Sat Sep 01, 2012 9:54 pm ]
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP05iSzpz94[/youtube]

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