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| Author: | Bruce [ Sat Mar 23, 2013 7:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs |
Brett Alan wrote: Brian wrote: Yes, there may be a case for adding OiaL, but I wouldn't want to drop "Wish", which in addition to acclaim, has a lot of lasting popularity. "Once In A Lifetime" is only #82 on the 80s list, which isn't really commensurate with a top 500 placement. Then again, it may be that the problem is it's too low on the 80s list. There are 4 things below it on the 80s list that we did end up putting on this list: 84. I Want To Know What Love Is - Foreigner 87. Sledgehammer - Peter Gabriel 90. Don't You (Forget About Me) - Simple Minds 100. Me, Myself and I - De La Soul |
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| Author: | Bruno [ Sat Mar 23, 2013 8:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs |
I think "Runaway" is greater than "Gold Digger". |
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| Author: | Brett Alan [ Sun Mar 24, 2013 2:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs |
Bruno wrote: I think "Runaway" is greater than "Gold Digger". OK, my first reaction was to think that of course Del Shannon's "Runaway" should be higher than "Gold Digger". Which it is. But obviously you meant Kanye's "Runaway". Why do you think it should be higher? "Gold Digger" destroys it in popularity--ten weeks at number one, 5 million sales, versus "Runaway" hit #12 and didn't go gold. What do you think "Runaway" has that makes up for that? |
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| Author: | Bruno [ Sun Mar 24, 2013 5:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs |
Brett Alan wrote: Bruno wrote: I think "Runaway" is greater than "Gold Digger". OK, my first reaction was to think that of course Del Shannon's "Runaway" should be higher than "Gold Digger". Which it is. But obviously you meant Kanye's "Runaway". Why do you think it should be higher? "Gold Digger" destroys it in popularity--ten weeks at number one, 5 million sales, versus "Runaway" hit #12 and didn't go gold. What do you think "Runaway" has that makes up for that? I agree about popularity, but "Runaway" is far more acclaimed. |
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| Author: | Bruce [ Sun Mar 24, 2013 5:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs |
Bruno wrote: Brett Alan wrote: Bruno wrote: I think "Runaway" is greater than "Gold Digger". OK, my first reaction was to think that of course Del Shannon's "Runaway" should be higher than "Gold Digger". Which it is. But obviously you meant Kanye's "Runaway". Why do you think it should be higher? "Gold Digger" destroys it in popularity--ten weeks at number one, 5 million sales, versus "Runaway" hit #12 and didn't go gold. What do you think "Runaway" has that makes up for that? I agree about popularity, but "Runaway" is far more acclaimed. On Acclaimedmusic.net "Gold Digger" is #53 of all time and "Runaway" is not even listed. |
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| Author: | pauldrach [ Sun Mar 24, 2013 5:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs |
Bruce wrote: "Runaway" is not even listed. That's probably because their current list includes only songs and albums that were released in 2009 and earlier. Anyway, for now I agree that "Gold Digger" probably is more worthy than "Runaway". |
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| Author: | ClashWho [ Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs |
Bruce wrote: You may have a good point though because "Lifetime" is #121 of all time on acclaimedmusic.net with "Wish You Were Here" #171. "Once in a Lifetime" is #129 All-Time on Acclaimed Music. "Wish You Were Here" is #823. So, if I had a good point before, how much better is it now? |
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| Author: | Bruno [ Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs |
Bruce wrote: Bruno wrote: Brett Alan wrote: Bruno wrote: I think "Runaway" is greater than "Gold Digger". OK, my first reaction was to think that of course Del Shannon's "Runaway" should be higher than "Gold Digger". Which it is. But obviously you meant Kanye's "Runaway". Why do you think it should be higher? "Gold Digger" destroys it in popularity--ten weeks at number one, 5 million sales, versus "Runaway" hit #12 and didn't go gold. What do you think "Runaway" has that makes up for that? I agree about popularity, but "Runaway" is far more acclaimed. On Acclaimedmusic.net "Gold Digger" is #53 of all time and "Runaway" is not even listed. "Gold Digger" is #476 all time. |
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| Author: | ClashWho [ Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs |
Bruce likes to look at the Decade rank and think it's the All-Time rank. Unless it's "Once in a Lifetime". Because then he would have thought it was #13 All-Time. |
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| Author: | Bruce [ Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs |
Have you guys ever heard the live version of "Johnny B. Goode" on the flip side of "My Ding-A-Ling?" I guess it's on that album too. He starts out doing "Bye Bye Johnny" but when he gets to the first chorus the crowd just takes over and starts singing "Go, Johnny, Go, Go" insanely loud. Chuck wasn't stupid, he switched it right over to "Johnny B. Goode" and when he finishes the crowd is going so insane that the announcer can't get them to calm down and start exiting the arena so the people for the next show (Pink Floyd) can get in. I found it on youtube. Check out the crowd after the song. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsLfyqtkfBE[/youtube] This is over 40 years ago. |
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| Author: | ClashWho [ Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs |
ClashWho wrote: Bruce wrote: You may have a good point though because "Lifetime" is #121 of all time on acclaimedmusic.net with "Wish You Were Here" #171. "Once in a Lifetime" is #129 All-Time on Acclaimed Music. "Wish You Were Here" is #823. So, if I had a good point before, how much better is it now? Still wondering about this. |
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| Author: | Sampson [ Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs |
Actually, Clash, you'd have an even better point by simply saying - "acclaimedmusic.net is garbage". As has been repeatedly proven the intent of that site is good but the sources they use are so overwhelmingly representative of one narrow style (dozens of publications put out by the same publisher with the same demographic audience, lists that are focused simply on one artist, for instance, how is Run-D.M.C. or Talking Heads going to rank on a list of the 100 Greatest Bob Dylan songs, something they actually USE in assessing the overall placement of songs by every artist!?!?) that the whole site is utterly worthless. Nobody with any sense takes it seriously. Bruce himself used to be one of the most vociferous opponents of it for that very reason, but he seems to have fallen in love with it, which indicates he's being overmedicated at the asylum or something. |
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| Author: | pauldrach [ Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs |
Sampson wrote: for instance, how is Run-D.M.C. or Talking Heads going to rank on a list of the 100 Greatest Bob Dylan songs, something they actually USE in assessing the overall placement of songs by every artist!?!? The algorithm Frazzon uses for his site makes sure that things like this don't happen. For example a list that ranks the greatest albums of the 1980s will only be decisive for the rankings of albums from the 1980s. That Bob Dylan list will only affect the rankings of the different Dylan songs relative to each other while it has no effect whatsoever on the ranks of songs by Run-D.M.C. or Talking Heads. |
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| Author: | Bruce [ Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs |
pauldrach wrote: Sampson wrote: for instance, how is Run-D.M.C. or Talking Heads going to rank on a list of the 100 Greatest Bob Dylan songs, something they actually USE in assessing the overall placement of songs by every artist!?!? The algorithm Frazzon uses for his site makes sure that things like this don't happen. For example a list that ranks the greatest albums of the 1980s will only be decisive for the rankings of albums from the 1980s. That Bob Dylan list will only affect the rankings of the different Dylan songs relative to each other while it has no effect whatsoever on the ranks of songs by Run-D.M.C. or Talking Heads. Sampson is not too good at math. A little knowledge is dangerous. At least acclaimedmusic gives us something concrete to consider in our rankings instead of just the DDD editor's opinion of influence or impact. That's why I've started referring to it more to help with the lists. |
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| Author: | Bruce [ Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs |
By the way, Samp.....since algorithm is no doubt an unfamiliar term to you... An algorithm is an effective method expressed as a finite list of well-defined instructions for calculating a function. |
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