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| Author: | Gray [ Thu Aug 04, 2011 3:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs |
I'd be fine with it in the top ten, but it would have to be number nine or ten. |
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| Author: | Taro [ Fri Aug 05, 2011 1:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs |
The Message by Grandmaster Flash is a top 15 song easily, Fight the Power is a top 40 song |
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| Author: | Gray [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 3:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs |
Can we please do something on this thread? I really liked where this was going. |
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| Author: | pauldrach [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs |
I guess an official new editor would be a good thing to really get things going. Also the easiest way would be to work with the Top 10 Songs lists from each year as a starting point. The problem is that the '50s and '60s lists were done by Bruce ("Heartbreak Hotel" at #16 for 1956 below "Don't Be Cruel", and other funny surprises). Had they been done by Sampson everything'd be fine, since the ones by Brian and J.B. Trance are very good. |
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| Author: | Gray [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs |
Can't we just go on expanding the revised list we had? I thought there was lots of good discussion going on with that. |
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| Author: | Negative Creep [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs |
What did we have for the top 10/20? |
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| Author: | Gray [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs |
This I think. We didn't really confirm or deny too much on it though, so its not set in stone. Deany wrote: So here's what we're looking at:
1. Johnny B. Goode 2. Like A Rolling Stone 3. What'd I Say 4. Satisfaction 5. Respect 6. Rock Around The Clock 7. Stairway To Heaven 8. Jailhouse Rock 9. Smells Like Teen Spirit 10. Hey Jude 11. I Heard It Through The Grapevine 12. Good Vibrations 13. I Want To Hold Your Hand 14. Billie Jean 15. The Message 16. Papa's Got A Brand New Bag 17. Bohemian Rhapsody 18. A Day In The Life (Yeah, switched on the whole "3 Fab songs are overkill" thing) 19. Hound Dog 20. Superstition/Dock Of The Bay ??? |
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| Author: | Negative Creep [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs |
I'm a raging Cobain-fanatic, but SLTS is too high. #9 of all time? Not seeing it. And how can Papa's be so low? It was basically the song that established funk as a legitimate genre. |
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| Author: | pauldrach [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs |
Deany wrote: I'd say that "Stairway"'s leads in popularity and cultural impact far outweigh SLTS's leads in the other two criteria. Stairway is a cultural milestone. pauldrach wrote: OK, my breakdown with explanations: Popularity: Hard to measure as Stairway never was released as a single. Stairway is a highly popular tune, no question. SLTS was a #2 US single, and it's at least a well known as Stairway I think (maybe even more). Musical impact: That one's very close I'd say. Both songs are highly acclaimed. Influence: SLTS marked the point where alternative rock broke into the mainstream. It helped popularize a genre that has been huge for the last twenty years. Stairway was influential on power ballads which were a huge part of the rock music of the 1980's/early 1990's. Other than that I probably don't understand the nature of Stairway's influence. Cultural impact: I still think it's hard to tell what is included under this criterion and what isn't. As already mentioned SLTS marked alternative rock's breakthrough, and with it probably other aspects of alternative culture (without me being able to specify them). I don't see any cultural impact for Stairway. Those opinions seem to contradict each other quite radically. Deany (or anybody else), could you please explain to me the nature of Stairway's cultural impact, and how it defeats SLTS in popularity. I'd give SLTS cultural impact and influence, whereas they'd be tied for popularity and musical impact. |
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| Author: | pauldrach [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs |
Negative Creep wrote: I'm a raging Cobain-fanatic, but SLTS is too high. #9 of all time? Not seeing it. Huge musical impact. Almost singlehandedly made alternative rock the driving force of 1990's rock music. Does very good in both initial and lasting popularity. I don't think it's too high at all. Negative Creep wrote: And how can Papa's be so low? It was basically the song that established funk as a legitimate genre. #16 is not exactly very low and funk itself is not that big a genre, though it was instrumental in the development of disco and hip-hop. I think it's perfect where it is. |
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| Author: | Gray [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs |
Yeah I like SLTS position. |
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| Author: | Brian [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs |
pauldrach wrote: I guess an official new editor would be a good thing to really get things going. I don't know whether or not Lew would be willing to give up this list. He might be completely unwilling, or he might only be willing if he first sees the proposed replacement list. |
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| Author: | Negative Creep [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs |
Stairway takes popularity, it's the most requested song in all of rock, I believe. I think SLTS would get cultural and musical impact quite comfortably. Influence, I cant really tell... |
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| Author: | Gray [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs |
Sounds like SLTS> Stairway. I never really understood the treatment it got. I always assumed it was just obligatory. |
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| Author: | pauldrach [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Songs |
I'm still not buying Stairway, BoRhap and ADitL. Stairway: Popularity: hard to measure but probably top tier Musical impact: also top tier Influence: influential on power ballads, other than that I don't see any Cultural impact: I still want to be enlightened regarding this Conclusion: should be Top 20, not Top 10 BoRhap: Popularity: pretty big, not absolute top tier, but also not too far down Musical impact: same as for popularity Influence: nothing that stands out to me Cultural impact: same Conclusion: Top 50 yes, maybe even Top 30, Top 20 I don't think ADitL: Popularity: not all that good, probably not in the Top 10 Beatles songs Musical impact: top tier Influence: I believe it introduced the concept of a song inside a song, so I'd give it some influence on prog Cultural impact: none Conclusion: also somewhere in the Top 50, I guess |
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