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Author:  Gray [ Thu Aug 04, 2011 3:51 pm ]
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I'd be fine with it in the top ten, but it would have to be number nine or ten.

Author:  Taro [ Fri Aug 05, 2011 1:46 am ]
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The Message by Grandmaster Flash is a top 15 song easily, Fight the Power is a top 40 song

Author:  Gray [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 3:33 pm ]
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Can we please do something on this thread? I really liked where this was going.

Author:  pauldrach [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:15 pm ]
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I guess an official new editor would be a good thing to really get things going. Also the easiest way would be to work with the Top 10 Songs lists from each year as a starting point. The problem is that the '50s and '60s lists were done by Bruce ("Heartbreak Hotel" at #16 for 1956 below "Don't Be Cruel", and other funny surprises). Had they been done by Sampson everything'd be fine, since the ones by Brian and J.B. Trance are very good.

Author:  Gray [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:19 pm ]
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Can't we just go on expanding the revised list we had? I thought there was lots of good discussion going on with that.

Author:  Negative Creep [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:20 pm ]
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What did we have for the top 10/20?

Author:  Gray [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:21 pm ]
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This I think. We didn't really confirm or deny too much on it though, so its not set in stone.

Deany wrote:
So here's what we're looking at:

1. Johnny B. Goode
2. Like A Rolling Stone
3. What'd I Say
4. Satisfaction
5. Respect
6. Rock Around The Clock
7. Stairway To Heaven
8. Jailhouse Rock
9. Smells Like Teen Spirit
10. Hey Jude
11. I Heard It Through The Grapevine
12. Good Vibrations
13. I Want To Hold Your Hand
14. Billie Jean
15. The Message
16. Papa's Got A Brand New Bag
17. Bohemian Rhapsody
18. A Day In The Life (Yeah, switched on the whole "3 Fab songs are overkill" thing)
19. Hound Dog
20. Superstition/Dock Of The Bay

???

Author:  Negative Creep [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:37 pm ]
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I'm a raging Cobain-fanatic, but SLTS is too high. #9 of all time? Not seeing it.

And how can Papa's be so low? It was basically the song that established funk as a legitimate genre.

Author:  pauldrach [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:38 pm ]
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Deany wrote:
I'd say that "Stairway"'s leads in popularity and cultural impact far outweigh SLTS's leads in the other two criteria. Stairway is a cultural milestone.

pauldrach wrote:
OK, my breakdown with explanations:

Popularity: Hard to measure as Stairway never was released as a single. Stairway is a highly popular tune, no question. SLTS was a #2 US single, and it's at least a well known as Stairway I think (maybe even more).

Musical impact: That one's very close I'd say. Both songs are highly acclaimed.

Influence: SLTS marked the point where alternative rock broke into the mainstream. It helped popularize a genre that has been huge for the last twenty years. Stairway was influential on power ballads which were a huge part of the rock music of the 1980's/early 1990's. Other than that I probably don't understand the nature of Stairway's influence.

Cultural impact: I still think it's hard to tell what is included under this criterion and what isn't. As already mentioned SLTS marked alternative rock's breakthrough, and with it probably other aspects of alternative culture (without me being able to specify them). I don't see any cultural impact for Stairway.

Those opinions seem to contradict each other quite radically. Deany (or anybody else), could you please explain to me the nature of Stairway's cultural impact, and how it defeats SLTS in popularity. I'd give SLTS cultural impact and influence, whereas they'd be tied for popularity and musical impact.

Author:  pauldrach [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:41 pm ]
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Negative Creep wrote:
I'm a raging Cobain-fanatic, but SLTS is too high. #9 of all time? Not seeing it.

Huge musical impact. Almost singlehandedly made alternative rock the driving force of 1990's rock music. Does very good in both initial and lasting popularity. I don't think it's too high at all.

Negative Creep wrote:
And how can Papa's be so low? It was basically the song that established funk as a legitimate genre.

#16 is not exactly very low and funk itself is not that big a genre, though it was instrumental in the development of disco and hip-hop. I think it's perfect where it is.

Author:  Gray [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:44 pm ]
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Yeah I like SLTS position.

Author:  Brian [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:44 pm ]
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pauldrach wrote:
I guess an official new editor would be a good thing to really get things going.

I don't know whether or not Lew would be willing to give up this list. He might be completely unwilling, or he might only be willing if he first sees the proposed replacement list.

Author:  Negative Creep [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:45 pm ]
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Stairway takes popularity, it's the most requested song in all of rock, I believe.

I think SLTS would get cultural and musical impact quite comfortably.

Influence, I cant really tell...

Author:  Gray [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:47 pm ]
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Sounds like SLTS> Stairway. I never really understood the treatment it got. I always assumed it was just obligatory.

Author:  pauldrach [ Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:48 pm ]
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I'm still not buying Stairway, BoRhap and ADitL.

Stairway:
Popularity: hard to measure but probably top tier
Musical impact: also top tier
Influence: influential on power ballads, other than that I don't see any
Cultural impact: I still want to be enlightened regarding this
Conclusion: should be Top 20, not Top 10

BoRhap:
Popularity: pretty big, not absolute top tier, but also not too far down
Musical impact: same as for popularity
Influence: nothing that stands out to me
Cultural impact: same
Conclusion: Top 50 yes, maybe even Top 30, Top 20 I don't think

ADitL:
Popularity: not all that good, probably not in the Top 10 Beatles songs
Musical impact: top tier
Influence: I believe it introduced the concept of a song inside a song, so I'd give it some influence on prog
Cultural impact: none
Conclusion: also somewhere in the Top 50, I guess

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