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Also, all the bands I underlined ran as fast as they could away from the heavy metal tag because they saw metal was dying in the mainstream and it would hurt their marketability. No they were "alternative" rock bands. Now 10/15 years later Alice In Chains saw metal was becoming "cool" again so they are like "yea we were metal the whole time!" Nuh-uh. Fuck you. You don't get to be in the club.

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You seriously think bands like Alice in Chains, Melvins, Soundgarden and Faith No More give two shits about being Metal or not? That comment is filled with absolute bullshit, what made those bands work is how they don't look at genres as 'clubs', this view is extremely juvenile and stupid.

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Also LOL at WASP, Skid Row, Ozzy and Mercyful Fate being offered as bands keeping the scene alive. They all released their worst albums after 1994.

I stated 1989-1997. So The Headless Children and Crimson Idol for WASP, Slave to the Grind for Skid Row, No More Tears for Ozzy and In the Shadows for Mercyful Fate. Also, good is subjective because I'm not a fan of any of those albums. I just feel they had popularity, acclaim or influence enough to be included. Learn how to read before you say stupid things.

1993-on is when metal was on the decline and where everyone starts to put the blame on grunge.

Floyo Mounier wrote:

JRA wrote:

Alice In Chains certainly did, when he came crawling back saying how much Tony Iommi and metal influenced him. The rest, not so much.

JRA wrote:

1993-on is when metal was on the decline and where everyone starts to put the blame on grunge.

Help me out here. How was metal on the decline? Because Glam was no longer dominating the charts?

Metal didn't stop being mainstream in the '90s. The success of nu metal bands extended far into the '00s.

I guess what I'm most confused about is why anyone cares?

the success of (nu-)metal = the success of (hair) metal

And Floyo, I never said there wasn't metal influence in the music of any of those bands you simpleton.

Author:	Floyo Mounier [ Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:43 pm ]
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JRA wrote: Also, all the bands I underlined ran as fast as they could away from the heavy metal tag because they saw metal was dying in the mainstream and it would hurt their marketability. No they were "alternative" rock bands. Now 10/15 years later Alice In Chains saw metal was becoming "cool" again so they are like "yea we were metal the whole time!" Nuh-uh. Fuck you. You don't get to be in the club. You seriously think bands like Alice in Chains, Melvins, Soundgarden and Faith No More give two shits about being Metal or not? That comment is filled with absolute bullshit, what made those bands work is how they don't look at genres as 'clubs', this view is extremely juvenile and stupid.

Author:	JRA [ Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:52 pm ]
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Floyo Mounier wrote: JRA wrote: Also, all the bands I underlined ran as fast as they could away from the heavy metal tag because they saw metal was dying in the mainstream and it would hurt their marketability. No they were "alternative" rock bands. Now 10/15 years later Alice In Chains saw metal was becoming "cool" again so they are like "yea we were metal the whole time!" Nuh-uh. Fuck you. You don't get to be in the club. You seriously think bands like Alice in Chains, Melvins, Soundgarden and Faith No More give two shits about being Metal or not? That comment is filled with absolute bullshit, what made those bands work is how they don't look at genres as 'clubs', this view is extremely juvenile and stupid. Alice In Chains certainly did, when he came crawling back saying how much Tony Iommi and metal influenced him. The rest, not so much. Nesquik wrote: JRA wrote: Also LOL at WASP, Skid Row, Ozzy and Mercyful Fate being offered as bands keeping the scene alive. They all released their worst albums after 1994. I stated 1989-1997. So The Headless Children and Crimson Idol for WASP, Slave to the Grind for Skid Row, No More Tears for Ozzy and In the Shadows for Mercyful Fate. Also, good is subjective because I'm not a fan of any of those albums. I just feel they had popularity, acclaim or influence enough to be included. Learn how to read before you say stupid things. Except that's not the period I was referring to. In 1989 no one in the mainstream gave two high holy fucks about grunge. 1993-on is when metal was on the decline and where everyone starts to put the blame on grunge. Which is why I made notion of everything those bands released after 1994.

Author:	dmille [ Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:43 pm ]
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JRA wrote: 1993-on is when metal was on the decline and where everyone starts to put the blame on grunge. Help me out here. How was metal on the decline? Because Glam was no longer dominating the charts?

Author:	Floyo Mounier [ Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:09 pm ]
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JRA wrote: Floyo Mounier wrote: JRA wrote: Also, all the bands I underlined ran as fast as they could away from the heavy metal tag because they saw metal was dying in the mainstream and it would hurt their marketability. No they were "alternative" rock bands. Now 10/15 years later Alice In Chains saw metal was becoming "cool" again so they are like "yea we were metal the whole time!" Nuh-uh. Fuck you. You don't get to be in the club. You seriously think bands like Alice in Chains, Melvins, Soundgarden and Faith No More give two shits about being Metal or not? That comment is filled with absolute bullshit, what made those bands work is how they don't look at genres as 'clubs', this view is extremely juvenile and stupid. Alice In Chains certainly did, when he came crawling back saying how much Tony Iommi and metal influenced him. The rest, not so much. Oh yeah cause someone can't play Alternative Rock AND be influenced by Metal! Let aside that music can be both 'Alternative' and 'Metal'. Seriously can't you hear the Metal influence in AiC's music or are you just that stupid? Stop making your own groundless assumptions on how bands, genres and the mainstream media works.

Author:	JRA [ Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:33 pm ]
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dmille wrote: JRA wrote: 1993-on is when metal was on the decline and where everyone starts to put the blame on grunge. Help me out here. How was metal on the decline? Because Glam was no longer dominating the charts? I just pointed out why it went back underground. And Floyo, I never said there wasn't metal influence in the music of any of those bands you simpleton. Look either way it doesn't matter, the point is metal stopped being in the mainstream in the 90s because of the series of events that happened to the bands I listed up above. and while there were plenty of other bands (most of which Nesquik mentioned) putting out great albums willing to take those spots, record companies just didn't pick up on them and weren't willing to promote them.

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Author:	Nesquik [ Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:35 pm ]
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I guess what I'm most confused about is why anyone cares?

Author:	JRA [ Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:44 pm ]
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joe c wrote: Metal didn't stop being mainstream in the '90s. The success of nu metal bands extended far into the '00s. the success of nu-metal = the success of hair metal

Author:	Sherick [ Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:12 am ]
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Author:	JRA [ Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:27 am ]
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post cool bro

Author:	Sodacake [ Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:51 am ]
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Nesquik wrote: I guess what I'm most confused about is why anyone cares?

Author:	Machine Head [ Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:14 am ]
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JRA wrote: the success of (nu-)metal = the success of (hair) metal So the success of metal = the success of metal? Thanks for the tip FAGGOT

Author:	JRA [ Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:32 am ]
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My point is both are false, commercial representations of the genre. Thanks for playing, pederast.

Author:	Damage Inc. [ Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:58 am ]
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I don't see how both are "false" representations of metal, as both styles sound like metal to me. They only way they would be "false" is of they were heavy metal wannabes.

Author:	Sodacake [ Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:19 am ]
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Who the hell is Sequester?

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Author:	Floyo Mounier [ Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:42 pm ]
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JRA wrote: And Floyo, I never said there wasn't metal influence in the music of any of those bands you simpleton. Then what was your point in pointing out AiC aren't allowed to call their music Metal influenced? Even if they were part of the Grunge and Alternative scene, they're still Metal and Metal influenced. Seriously why are metalheads so allergic for everything that is even remotely non-metal?