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Author:  corrections [ Tue May 15, 2012 4:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Awful, Awful Music
boo boo wrote:
Pretty much anything having anything to do with modern country music qualifies for this thread.

I'd still hit that btw.


Me too.
Author:  Yousha [ Wed May 16, 2012 12:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Awful, Awful Music
Gretchen wilson can sing though......and shes quite fine....

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqQkECIn738[/youtube]
Author:  pnoom [ Wed May 16, 2012 12:51 pm ]
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Why do people fetishize talent used worthlessly?
Author:  dreamcoil [ Wed May 16, 2012 1:39 pm ]
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pnoom wrote:
Why do people fetishize talent used worthlessly?

this is what ive been saying all along, except that i'm kind of a dick about it
Author:  AbeVV [ Wed May 16, 2012 1:53 pm ]
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pnoom wrote:
Why do people fetishize talent used worthlessly?

I don't see anybody on this page "fetishizing" anything.
Author:  pnoom [ Wed May 16, 2012 1:57 pm ]
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Actually, after I posted that, my first thought was something along the lines of: this is such a dreamcoil post. I disagree with you a fair bit but you are absolutely right on that point.

It can be interesting to think about the ways in which worthless music that evinces great talent is worthless in different ways from worthless music that is talentless, but that doesn't make it any less worthless.
Author:  pnoom [ Wed May 16, 2012 2:05 pm ]
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AbeVV wrote:
I don't see anybody on this page "fetishizing" anything.

Responding to a video of a song with no redeeming qualities with "Gretchen Wilson can sing though" as if it is a redeeming quality is close enough. It's valuing the mere presence of talent when that talent is used in a totally and unmitigatedly disastrous manner.

But I will admit that an aspect of my post was in response to the entire vocalist subforum, which is predicated on fetishizing horrendously misused talent. Yousha's post happened to remind me of the existence of that subforum and hence I asked.
Author:  dreamcoil [ Wed May 16, 2012 2:08 pm ]
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it depends though you know, like 'hot girls have problems too' is completely talentless but less worthless than a lot of other music that is talentless and worthless. i think my problem in communicating may be that im extrapolating talent to a para-musical realm, though it all boils down to relatability at the end of the day, imo
Author:  corrections [ Wed May 16, 2012 4:11 pm ]
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pnoom wrote:
Why do people fetishize talent used worthlessly?


I know. I hate it when beautiful women waste their talent by not servicing me.
Author:  pnoom [ Wed May 16, 2012 4:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Awful, Awful Music
You get them so wet they worry about being electrocuted.
Author:  dreamcoil [ Wed May 16, 2012 5:06 pm ]
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corrections wrote:
pnoom wrote:
Why do people fetishize talent used worthlessly?


I know. I hate it when beautiful women waste their talent by not servicing me.


you are assuming beauty = talent. SEXISM!!11
Author:  boo boo [ Wed May 16, 2012 5:14 pm ]
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I tell you who didn't waste talent. Townes Van Zandt.

Because he didn't have any.
Author:  monga18 [ Wed May 16, 2012 5:22 pm ]
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dreamcoil wrote:
corrections wrote:
pnoom wrote:
Why do people fetishize talent used worthlessly?


I know. I hate it when beautiful women waste their talent by not servicing me.


you are assuming beauty = talent. SEXISM!!11


Yeah if you want talent you need to be hooking up with used-to-be-fat girls.
Author:  corrections [ Wed May 16, 2012 5:27 pm ]
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dreamcoil wrote:
corrections wrote:
pnoom wrote:
Why do people fetishize talent used worthlessly?


I know. I hate it when beautiful women waste their talent by not servicing me.


you are assuming beauty = talent. SEXISM!!11


Not really sexism but lookism. People with good singing voices can manipulate their mouths well.
Author:  AbeVV [ Wed May 16, 2012 8:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Awful, Awful Music
pnoom wrote:
AbeVV wrote:
I don't see anybody on this page "fetishizing" anything.

Responding to a video of a song with no redeeming qualities with "Gretchen Wilson can sing though" as if it is a redeeming quality is close enough. It's valuing the mere presence of talent when that talent is used in a totally and unmitigatedly disastrous manner.

But I will admit that an aspect of my post was in response to the entire vocalist subforum, which is predicated on fetishizing horrendously misused talent. Yousha's post happened to remind me of the existence of that subforum and hence I asked.

Even so, it seems pretty clear to me that some a lot of people value music at least partially for its ability to entertain and people often find specific talents or unique traits (i.e. the ability to hold a tune and have an aesthetically pleasing voice) to be entertaining. So naturally some people tag more worth to an artist that has talent than one that does not. I see Yousha's comment as simply stating that there is at least one positive quality to Gretchen Wilson as a musical artist, not that it saves her music from being trash (which would constitute fetshizing, imo).
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