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Author:  pave [ Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:54 pm ]
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i'm fairly sure it was hyperbolic.


but anyway, i don't get the "foo fighters are average/generic" complaints. in fact, i think they've got a really distinct style. yeah, its still post-grunge, nothing revolutionary about it. but there is something instantly recognizable about the way he writes. you could have some local band cover a Dave Grohl track and i'm pretty sure we'd all know who wrote it even if we had never heard it before. his bigger problem, imo, is that he's sort of settled into that style now, kind of like the Chili Peppers did. he almost sounds like a mellow rip-off of his younger self.


thejew,
i won't pretend to know drums like you. i can't argue with you if you say he's not a great drummer. but what i do know is that when i try to play along with his rhythms, i can't do it. which is not a problem i tend to have with a lot of other drummers. maybe that doesn't make him great or anything, but i notice a difference between him and others when i try to mimic him. that has to be indicative of something unique about how he plays, right? you'd know more why that is, if you've noticed it too. its something about the way he uses the toms that fucks with me. he never seems to get into a nice, easy groove where i can stop paying attention to the main beat and just focus on the fills.

but yeah, this page is exactly why i think he's underrated. the fact that he's seen by so many people as just average amazes me.
Author:  pave [ Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:01 am ]
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one last thing, the "if he wasn't in Nirvana" argument is just an easy way of dismissing him, but one that has no real foundation under it. is there one other comparable situation? i mean, he was the drummer. he had very little creative influence over Nirvana as a whole (maybe their overall sound, but definitely not the songwriting). i doubt anyone in the world expected the drummer from Nirvana to start his own band as the primary songwriter and frontman. for him to actually be successful with it is a credit to him. the idea that it was just given to him because of his association with Nirvana is absurd. if anything, the constant comparisons have actually hurt them.
Author:  dreamcoil [ Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:22 am ]
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foo fighters are a band who are trying to remain relevant way beyond their time/ grohl's a cool dude but he just doesnt have it in him to write the anthem he so wants to. plus that foo fighters sound can be confused for countless generic alt rock bands, which doesnt help
Author:  boo boo [ Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:28 am ]
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I love Grohl's drumming, simple but aggressive, he's an anti technical drummer and we don't have enough drummers like that, not including indie drummers who are anti technical in a bad way.

I love some good technical drumming, Bruford probably is my favorite drummer. But some bands need a Grohl, not a Bruford.

His attitude is very refreshing too.

Rock drummers used to be the party animals, like Moon and Bonham, or maybe they were the humble team player like Ringo, but now drummers tend to be the biggest fucking snobs in the entire music business. Look at fucking Mike Portnoy, he has the distinction of being the biggest enomaniac in Dream Theater.

Dream Theater.
Author:  corrections [ Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:51 am ]
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boo boo wrote:
corrections wrote:
pave wrote:
Dave Grohl is not only an underrated drummer, songwriter and frontman, he's also one of the coolest guys on the planet earth. the fact that he said that is just more proof of how awesome he is.


No it is not. It is prove that he likes to make hyperbolic and provacative statements.


Couldn't it be possible that he isn't being hyperbolic and he really does like her drumming as much as Bonham and Moon?

I'm not hyperbolic when I say I think Neil Young is a better guitarist than Yngwie Malmsteen.


He could say that but then why draw the deliberate comparisons of talent to Moon and Bonham. He's trying to be provocative.
Author:  corrections [ Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:52 am ]
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dreamcoil wrote:
foo fighters are a band who are trying to remain relevant way beyond their time/ grohl's a cool dude but he just doesnt have it in him to write the anthem he so wants to. plus that foo fighters sound can be confused for countless generic alt rock bands, which doesnt help


Yes.
Author:  batman [ Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:55 am ]
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for the let's get it on/what's going on comparison, here is my song ranking of both combined

1 Let's Get it On
2 Please Stay
3 Distant Lover
4 God is Love
5 Mercy Mercy Me
6 If I Should Die Tonight
7 What's Going On
8 Just to Keep You Satisfied
9 What's Happening Brother
10 You Sure Love to Ball
11 Come Get to This
12 Flying High in the Friendly Sky
13 Wholy Holy
14 Inner City Blues
15 Save the Children
16 Keep Gettin' it On
17 Right On

now that I did that, I'm not quite sure why I did. Both are 10/10 albums
Author:  boo boo [ Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:59 am ]
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corrections wrote:
boo boo wrote:
corrections wrote:
pave wrote:
Dave Grohl is not only an underrated drummer, songwriter and frontman, he's also one of the coolest guys on the planet earth. the fact that he said that is just more proof of how awesome he is.


No it is not. It is prove that he likes to make hyperbolic and provacative statements.


Couldn't it be possible that he isn't being hyperbolic and he really does like her drumming as much as Bonham and Moon?

I'm not hyperbolic when I say I think Neil Young is a better guitarist than Yngwie Malmsteen.


He could say that but then why draw the deliberate comparisons of talent to Moon and Bonham. He's trying to be provocative.


And who was he trying to provoke?

Oh yes. Snobby drumtards. More fucking power to him.
Author:  batman [ Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:16 am ]
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I also think Let's Get it On is a more complex album than just a guy singing about having sex. There's a lot of pain to go with the pleasure in that album
Author:  Georgi [ Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:55 am ]
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batman wrote:
I also think Let's Get it On is a more complex album than just a guy singing about having sex. There's a lot of pain to go with the pleasure in that album


Yes! Don't tell me your heart doesn't ache listening to Distant Lovers.
Author:  Brett Alan [ Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:03 am ]
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pave wrote:
one last thing, the "if he wasn't in Nirvana" argument is just an easy way of dismissing him, but one that has no real foundation under it. is there one other comparable situation?


Well, Sweet 75 is a pretty comparable situation, and how many people reading this even recognize that name? Heck, I saw them live once, and I still want to call them "Swirl 360" (which is also a pretty obscure band--they were a modern bubblegum/power-pop group--but they had more success than Sweet 75 did).

(For those who haven't figured this out, Sweet 75 featured the OTHER member of Nirvana, Krist Novaselic.)
Author:  pave [ Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:32 am ]
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Brett Alan wrote:
pave wrote:
one last thing, the "if he wasn't in Nirvana" argument is just an easy way of dismissing him, but one that has no real foundation under it. is there one other comparable situation?


Well, Sweet 75 is a pretty comparable situation, and how many people reading this even recognize that name? Heck, I saw them live once, and I still want to call them "Swirl 360" (which is also a pretty obscure band--they were a modern bubblegum/power-pop group--but they had more success than Sweet 75 did).

(For those who haven't figured this out, Sweet 75 featured the OTHER member of Nirvana, Krist Novaselic.)


yeah, i'd say this confirms my stance that the "Foo Fighters were popular because Dave was in Nirvana" argument is ridiculous. cause it sure as hell didn't work for Novaselic.
Author:  Yousha [ Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:26 am ]
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He's the bass player, of course it didn't! How many people know the bass players in bands anyway dude?!
Author:  boo boo [ Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:41 am ]
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I'm currently making a rock bassists list, which will be a little more expansive than the official one. Bassists always get it worse than the drummer unless they're singer/songwriters, and as everybody knows I like to stick up for the underdog.

Shit even some of the greatest bass players like Entwistle, JPJ and Deacon are thought of by many people as the "other guy" of their respective bands.

I fucking love the bass.
Author:  Adequate Gatsby [ Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:53 am ]
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I refuse to acknowledge the Foo Fighters are underrated when Wasting Light was called by so many as the savior of rock music.
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