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| Author: | Dreww [ Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Last Album You Listened To (And Rate It) |
I respect Pangaea/Agharta and I don't think they're shit or anything, I just would rather listen to so much other stuff. Same goes for Live-Evil. Bitches Brew though I kind of just don't like. |
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| Author: | Georgi [ Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:41 pm ] |
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I've never liked Bitches Brew. I've tried hard, but I just don't. Definitely my least favourite of the big jazz albums. |
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| Author: | SanTropez [ Thu Jan 06, 2011 3:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Last Album You Listened To (And Rate It) |
Parliament - Funkentelechy vs.the Placebo Syndrome 10/10 Link to my review: viewtopic.php?f=39&t=1396&p=53521#p53521 |
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| Author: | Dreww [ Thu Jan 06, 2011 9:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Last Album You Listened To (And Rate It) |
I don't really expect anyone else to like this as much as me because it has my name all over it; I really like all the music they sample and love what they do with it more than the original in every instance I can think of, getting rid of all the parts of the songs that kept me from LOVING the originals, while also either adding better melodies on top of it, or improving the phrasing/delivery of the original melody. I also love the fact that that the whole album just feels like an unpredictable stew of pot-drenched awesome and free-association--most sampling in music comes across as either just a kind of almost brick-like collage (Girl Talk, The Avalanches) or the way blues players built their songs around melodies they used over and over (most hip-hop and what jj have done on their albums). With jj's Kills, for the first time I know we're getting sampling that seems to occur organically out of their distinct sensibility, the way that folk tune appears out of nowhere in Albert Ayler's "Ghosts" or something, from a bunch of cacophonous expression, as if it always just existed that way in time and all the artist had to do was give expression to it. As for your review, it's really detailed and well-written and insightful about possible conceptual themes that may or may not underly their motivation for sampling this or that (which, at least for me, is the least interesting aspect of their music) but it doesn't seem to justify the low rating. The review seems like you really like the album but that "Believe", a 2 minute interlude, is a low point, and that you don't like that they cover Taio Cruz's "Dynamite". Are those really such fatal flaws? |
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| Author: | jumpman8828 [ Thu Jan 06, 2011 10:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Last Album You Listened To (And Rate It) |
I feel you Drew |
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| Author: | pave [ Thu Jan 06, 2011 11:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Last Album You Listened To (And Rate It) |
Dreww wrote: Tudwell wrote: Not exactly an album, but the other day a friend of mine threw on a DVD from some Bitches Brew deluxe set thing, which contained an hour long video of a live jam/concert by Miles Davis and co. I guess I'd give it a 0/10, cause it was probably the worst music I've ever heard. I really have no idea the appeal this type of music has for some people. The majority of Davis's stuff after In a Silent Way is nonsensical failed experiments imo. I still kind of like On the Corner though, and I guess parts of Jack Johnson. Kind of Blue is still my favorite. Milestones and Sketches of Spain after that. i couldn't disagree more with this. imo that's the peak of his brilliance. particularly the two you mentioned- On the Corner and JJ. |
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| Author: | pnoom [ Thu Jan 06, 2011 11:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Last Album You Listened To (And Rate It) |
Dreww wrote: I don't really expect anyone else to like this as much as me because it has my name all over it; I really like all the music they sample and love what they do with it more than the original in every instance I can think of, getting rid of all the parts of the songs that kept me from LOVING the originals, while also either adding better melodies on top of it, or improving the phrasing/delivery of the original melody. I also love the fact that that the whole album just feels like an unpredictable stew of pot-drenched awesome and free-association--most sampling in music comes across as either just a kind of almost brick-like collage (Girl Talk, The Avalanches) or the way blues players built their songs around melodies they used over and over (most hip-hop and what jj have done on their albums). With jj's Kills, for the first time I know we're getting sampling that seems to occur organically out of their distinct sensibility, the way that folk tune appears out of nowhere in Albert Ayler's "Ghosts" or something, from a bunch of cacophonous expression, as if it always just existed that way in time and all the artist had to do was give expression to it. I agree, I like all of this about it (though I disagree with your critique of the Avalanches). But... Quote: As for your review, it's really detailed and well-written and insightful about possible conceptual themes that may or may not underly their motivation for sampling this or that (which, at least for me, is the least interesting aspect of their music) but it doesn't seem to justify the low rating. The review seems like you really like the album but that "Believe", a 2 minute interlude, is a low point, and that you don't like that they cover Taio Cruz's "Dynamite". Are those really such fatal flaws? I really skimped on talking about the flaws, but I really don't care for the closing three songs either. Biggie's verse they use is pretty braindead on Angels, I thought, and just in general I don't think they added much to what Kanye did at the end. They added some, but not enough. So even though I like those songs conceptually, actually listening to them I don't enjoy much. I really, really admire Kills conceptually, and that's what I spent most of my time talking about because that's what's really invigorating about it, and what I have interesting things to say. When it comes to specific melodies, I rarely have more to say than "I liked it" or "I disliked it," which is why all of my main critiques in that regard were stuffed into a single paragraph. And keep in mind that in my rating system, 5 means "ok." So it's not at all like I dislike the album. I think it has some great merits, but also some parts that are interesting to think about but not really to listen to (and then Believe, which I just don't care for at all). Also, I didn't find a place where I could put it in my review and have it fit, but I think that the differences between Kill Them and the single version Let Them significantly detract from the back half of the song. The single version is much better IMO. |
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| Author: | Dreww [ Thu Jan 06, 2011 11:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Last Album You Listened To (And Rate It) |
Fair enough. For me it doesn't matter that they didn't add a whole lot to the Kanye samples (though I do think the adding of the Inception boom is significant) because sometimes improving something has more to do with what you have taken away and condensed it down to rather than what you have thrown on top of it. |
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| Author: | pnoom [ Thu Jan 06, 2011 11:44 pm ] |
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Even if I'm underestimating how much they added to the Kanye samples, and I very well might be, what it comes down to is that I just plain don't enjoy listening to it all that much, and would've liked it more if they had really focused on writing some strong new vocal melodies to go on top. The same is minorly true of some songs I didn't mention in this regard, like New Work, where I think the vocals they add have a fine melody but not a great one. |
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| Author: | Nick [ Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Last Album You Listened To (And Rate It) |
michael jackson - dangerous high tier? Never heard the album from start to finish, just the singles from it, but the general consensus was that it was pretty mediocre. Can you expand on high tier, mitch? |
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| Author: | wantabodylikeme [ Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Last Album You Listened To (And Rate It) |
wrote a kaputt review for me and dddchat's new blog http://peoplewhostareatrugs.blogspot.com/ |
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| Author: | Avery_Island [ Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Last Album You Listened To (And Rate It) |
Merzbow - 1930. Umm, yeah. That's quite enough of that. |
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