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| Author: | Negative Creep [ Mon May 16, 2011 11:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Male Rock Vocalists (Under Revision) |
Timitzii wrote: Better than your attempt. I explained the decades up there. Underrating 90's sucks, guys. Easy killer. I'm not "underrating" the 90's, but there's no way it compares with the decades before it. |
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| Author: | Negative Creep [ Mon May 16, 2011 11:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Male Rock Vocalists (Under Revision) |
Quote: country became huge, Country was huge LONG before the 90's. Quote: rock music was big as fuck Quote: and heavy metal was at its best during 90's. Oh...dear...god...no. Quote: 50's weren't that important at all. Elvis, Chuck Berry, Little Richards and people like them were surely groundbreakers but easily not as much as 60's, 70's and 80's showcased. I dont even know where to begin with this... Yes, the decade that gave birth to rock and roll, was "not that important". I would love to know your basis for this. |
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| Author: | Negative Creep [ Mon May 16, 2011 11:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Male Rock Vocalists (Under Revision) |
My dream list, for me the ultimate top 10... 1. Freddie Mercury 2. Elvis Presley 3. Robert Plant 4. Sam Cooke 5. Roy Orbison 6. Roger Daltrey 7. Ian Gillan 8. Jeff Buckley 9. Steve Perry 10. Jackie Wilson |
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| Author: | Negative Creep [ Mon May 16, 2011 11:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Male Rock Vocalists (Under Revision) |
Quote: Yes and even huger in 90's. I dont see how? Giants like George Jones and Dolly Parton were ruling the airwaves long before Garth Brooks. Quote: Yes? It was fantastic back then and fucking huge. But rock has been huge in EVERY decade starting with the 60's onward. So I dont get your point at all... Quote: OH... DEAR... GOD.... YES. Have you even heard 90's metal? Just because YOU don't like harsher screams doesn't take away its immense influence. 90's metal was fucking fantastic and groundbreaking as hell. There were fucking many different subgenres of it and it became mainstream music. Becoming mainstream isnt always a good thing. I like a lot of 90's metal, but you saying "metal was at it's best in the 90's" is equally as subjective as me saying otherwise. See what I mean? There were many metal subgenres in the 80's too. In fact, that's when most of them started. Black metal and thrash metal, for instance, were both spawned in the early 80's. Quote: Yeah, and that is all that matters, eh? Just because few artist from 50's created rock and roll doesn't make this decade the best ever. 90's created lots of new genres too. Maybe not to you, but it makes it the most IMPORTANT decade in this respect. The 50's made it possible for everything else to happen. Influence is about building blocks over time, and the 90's just haven't had the time to be as important as the 50's. And no, this doesnt mean I'm underrating it, so please stop with that. |
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| Author: | Negative Creep [ Mon May 16, 2011 12:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Male Rock Vocalists (Under Revision) |
Quote: Brooks was one of the most popular country acts of all time. 90's country was usually musically worse but it was fucking HUGE when it came to albums and concert tickets sold. Again, I dont see how it was any bigger than before. Quote: And? My point is that 90's don't lose points for "not having huge rock music" because they do. Who said they didnt? Quote: I'm basing my "metal was at its best in the 90's" on facts: there were LOTS more subgenres than in 80's and classic albums. Even older heavy metal giants like Judas Priest, Metallica and Megadeth created new classic albums. Metal sold more than ever and it was MUCH more varied with tons of different subgenres. In the 80's you had glam metal, thrash, black, doom, they all started then. The 90's may have popularized those styles, but the fact remains they were created in the 80's. So without that, there would be nothing to popularize. Quote: Yes, 80's created few new subgenres of metal but those waves can't even touch the popularity and impact of 90's metal. Death metal, groove metal, progressive metal and stuff like that were at their most popular and influental during early 90's. Death metal yes. Groove metal? Yes. Prog metal? No. Remember that Maiden were the biggest metal band of the 80's, and they were progressive metal. Plus you had Queensryche. Quote: Bands like Pantera and Metallica were the biggest bands out there at the moment. 90's was the definitive decade for metal rock music because of the huge impact, influence, reputation and the amount of classic songs and albums from that decade. 80's were the innovator-years but 90's were the definitive-years for metal. Purely opinion. And I disagree. Interesting that you mention albums. Look at the greatest metal albums list. The whole top 10 is 70's and 80's albums. So why would that be, if 90's metal was so innovative and popular? Quote: Yes, they did influence groups. Still, influencing artists who are going to create even bigger impact alone isn't going to get all the points for that decade. I wouldnt say there are too many artists that made bigger impact than Elvis and Berry. Remember that in the 50's, racial barriers were being broken down, not just in music, but in culture. Quote: 50's created rock and roll music. 90's popularized metal. 90's popularized rap. 90's created huge amount of subgenres, for example trip hop, groove metal, alternative metal and so on. 90's popularized alternative rock in general with bands like Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, Stone Temple Pilots, Mudhoney and Screaming Trees getting colossal amounts of popularity and acclaim from rock fans. 90's also brought new stuff to the table like mixing of the genres: rap metal in style of Rage Against the Machine, mixing funk and rock, metal and softer music, etc. Then there were bands like Radiohead, who created huge critically acclaimed albums and made them to be some of the most popular acts out there. And then there were bands like Oasis, The Stone Roses, Blur, The Verve and Pulp who popularized britpop of late 90's which was fucking huge too. Oh, and how about the dance music of 90's? Primal Scream and peers brought that to immense popularity too. And how about Jeff Buckley? He popularized whole new singing style and brought his unique hybrid of alternative rock to the forefront incfluencing tons of artists. These things are just some points about HUGE 90's. They easily beat 80's and 50's when it comes to the whole affectation of culture and music. And yet, the 50's made all of that POSSIBLE. |
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| Author: | Sippe [ Mon May 16, 2011 12:07 pm ] |
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Negative Creep wrote: And yet, the 50's made all of that POSSIBLE. With that logic, the best music is from when the universe was created. |
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| Author: | Negative Creep [ Mon May 16, 2011 12:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Male Rock Vocalists (Under Revision) |
No. He said the 50's "weren't that important", I was just responding to that part. |
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| Author: | Sippe [ Mon May 16, 2011 12:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Male Rock Vocalists (Under Revision) |
Music is a constant development. Todays music wouldn't have been the same without the music of the 50s, but the music of the 50s would have been completely different without the music from the 40s. Every decade is important, but I do believe that the 90s will influence a lot more of future music than the 50s ever did. |
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| Author: | Sippe [ Mon May 16, 2011 12:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Male Rock Vocalists (Under Revision) |
In terms if influence and importance of future music, I think the 60s is unbeatable atm. |
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| Author: | Negative Creep [ Mon May 16, 2011 12:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Male Rock Vocalists (Under Revision) |
Sippe wrote: In terms if influence and importance of future music, I think the 60s is unbeatable atm. Same here. |
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| Author: | Negative Creep [ Mon May 16, 2011 12:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Male Rock Vocalists (Under Revision) |
Quote: Nope, not purely opinion. And are you forgetting metal classics like Rust in Peace, The Black Album, Cowboys from Hell, Meantime, Painkiller, Angel Dust, Rage Against the Machine, Countdown to Extinction, System of a Down, Symbolic, Alice in Chains, Dirt, Badmotorfinger, Superunknown, Antichrist Superstar, The Downward Spiral, No More Tears and Vulgar Display of Power? Of course not, but none of them are in the top 10. Quote: Nirvana's impact was definitely in the same level with Elvis and Berry. They came out from nowhere and forever changed the history of music. Yes, in the same level. But not bigger. Quote: This logic makes absolutely NO sense. If this was the case, 20's would be the greatest decade of rock music because they made all of THAT possible. Just in terms of importance, the 50's get massive, MASSIVE points. But obviously there are other factors. Quote: I did not state that. I stated that they weren't as important as 90's were to music. Come on, your exact words were "50's werent that important at all". I smell a rat here... Quote: 90's showcased MUCH more diversity and copious amount of genres and subgenres evolving and getting popularized. 50's created rock and roll, cool, but 90'a created tons of different movements and subgenres. I love how you say "50's created rock and roll, cool" like it means absolutely nothing. |
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| Author: | Negative Creep [ Mon May 16, 2011 12:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Male Rock Vocalists (Under Revision) |
Let's just say we look at things differently. |
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| Author: | Negative Creep [ Mon May 16, 2011 12:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Male Rock Vocalists (Under Revision) |
Sneaky bastard! |
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| Author: | Echoes [ Mon May 16, 2011 1:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Male Rock Vocalists (Under Revision) |
Negative Creep wrote: My dream list, for me the ultimate top 10... 1. Freddie Mercury 2. Elvis Presley 3. Robert Plant 4. Sam Cooke 5. Roy Orbison 6. Roger Daltrey 7. Ian Gillan 8. Jeff Buckley 9. Steve Perry 10. Jackie Wilson How are Steve Perry and Jeff Buckley greater than Lennon and McCartney? I also want to point out that leaving Dylan out of the top 15 is like not having Chuck Berry in the top 5 on the greatest rock guitarists. |
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| Author: | Classic Rock Junkie [ Mon May 16, 2011 4:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Male Rock Vocalists (Under Revision) |
Timitzii wrote: I don't care if you don't like 90's but the music was far more innovative then than in 50's. I don't care how much you like the 90's, that's your opinion, but this statement is so full of stupidity it's not even funny. That is a false statement, because it's pretty much a fact that the 50's were more innovative than the 90's. In the 90's like, about 3 new major genre's of rock came out, and every other new thing was built of something previously. You can't tell me a single band in the 90's that was completely original and innovative, because nearly everything they had came from somewhere else and evolved it. I can attribute the birth of grunge and Nirvana to Neil Young. The 50's, came out of nowhere with some of the most innovative and new sounds ever. Not a genre or subgenre of music came about, many artists invented a revolution, a never heard before, completely new style of music that would reign supreme in the world for years to come, and although it's roots are in blues, it is so vastly different and original, it's as if a lot of it just spawned. I can trace everything in the 90's to something in the 80's or 70's, nothing was completely new, nothing. Btw, don't say techno and stuff like that is 'new' in the 90's, kraftwerk had that down years before. |
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