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Author:  pauldrach [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 10:16 am ]
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Bruno wrote:
Where's paul and herbs to help me here? :razz:

Well, I decided that you guys are going to do a pretty good job with this and since I don't feel very confident in terms of providing sufficient arguments for my ideas I thought I'd drop out of this discussion.

Anyway, in terms of influence I'd say
1. Richard
2. Jackson
3. Wonder
4. Redding
5. Wilson

Skill is probably (correct me if I'm wrong)
1. Wilson
2. Wonder
3. Jackson
4. Richard
5. Redding

Musical impact (how do you guys determine that)
...don't know. Tried different versions everything looked wrong. Couldn't even say who should be at the top, who at the bottom.
Author:  Negative Creep [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 11:18 am ]
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pauldrach wrote:
Anyway, in terms of influence I'd say
1. Richard
2. Jackson
3. Wonder
4. Redding
5. Wilson


I would say more like...
1. Richard
2. Redding
3. Wonder
4. Jackson
5. Wilson (his lack of widespread exposure kinda hurts him here, imo)

pauldrach wrote:
Skill is probably (correct me if I'm wrong)
1. Wilson
2. Wonder
3. Jackson
4. Richard
5. Redding


I would definitely put Redding above Richard, but other than that, you're totally right.
Jackie is far and away the most skilled rock vocalist of all time. That's one area where no one is going to beat him (the only possible exceptions being Mercury or T. Buckley).

pauldrach wrote:
Musical impact (how do you guys determine that)
...don't know. Tried different versions everything looked wrong. Couldn't even say who should be at the top, who at the bottom.


I'm still not entirely sure what Cruz means by musical impact either. He said "how a singers career impacted rock music", but didnt really elaborate any further. I've just been personally using the same definition that Sampson always did - collective praise within the business - which is where Elvis towers above everyone else.
Author:  Negative Creep [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:38 pm ]
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IMO, getting a head start on 11-15...

11. Roger Daltrey
12. Jackie Wilson
13. Stevie Wonder
14. Steve Perry
15. Michael Jackson
Author:  Stavros678 [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:43 pm ]
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Negative Creep wrote:
IMO, getting a head start on 11-15...

11. Roger Daltrey
12. Jackie Wilson
13. Stevie Wonder
14. Steve Perry
15. Michael Jackson


No way is Daltrey that high.
Author:  Jack [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:04 pm ]
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Stavros678 wrote:
Negative Creep wrote:
IMO, getting a head start on 11-15...

11. Roger Daltrey
12. Jackie Wilson
13. Stevie Wonder
14. Steve Perry
15. Michael Jackson


No way is Daltrey that high.


Why not?
Author:  Bruno [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:13 pm ]
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I'm still not satisfied with the top 10. The following names that Neg posted are better in criteria that Richard and Redding, except Daltrey and maybe Wilson.

I think we need to discuss more the top 10, before talking about 11-15.
Author:  Bruno [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 100 Greatest Rock Singers
paul wrote:
Anyway, in terms of influence I'd say
1. Richard
2. Jackson
3. Wonder
4. Redding
5. Wilson


I agree.

Quote:
Skill is probably (correct me if I'm wrong)
1. Wilson
2. Wonder
3. Jackson
4. Richard
5. Redding

I agree with Neg, Redding above Richard.

About Musical Impact, I'd say:

1. Redding
2. Jackson
3. Wonder
4. Richard
5. Wilson

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Making a scale of points, the general would be:

1. Jackson
2. Wonder
3. Richard
4. Redding
5. Wilson
Author:  Negative Creep [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 9:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 100 Greatest Rock Singers
Stavros678 wrote:
Negative Creep wrote:
IMO, getting a head start on 11-15...

11. Roger Daltrey
12. Jackie Wilson
13. Stevie Wonder
14. Steve Perry
15. Michael Jackson


No way is Daltrey that high.


Why not? He kills in all three criteria.
Author:  Bruce [ Mon Sep 10, 2012 10:27 pm ]
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Check out this thread.....LOL

http://rateyourmusic.com/board_message? ... id=4270178
Author:  Negative Creep [ Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:46 am ]
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Daltrey is being a little underrated here, imo.
If you look to his solo material, you'll see that he has tremendous skill and versatility, probably at least on par with Wonder there.
And obviously his influence and musical impact are huge. He was the definitive hard rock vocalist (after Plant, imo), and the embodiment of the husky, macho mid-range style that so many vocalists were influenced by).

I honestly think he even has a decent shot at being ahead of Wonder.
I'm not guaranteeing it, but I could see a case being made.

Much thanks to Jack (a.k.a. the infamous "knuckle9" from ddd's glory days) for showing many of us the wider spectrum of Daltrey's greatness.
Author:  Bruno [ Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:09 am ]
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How about thiis:

1. Presley
2. Aretha
3. Merc
4. Cooke
5. Plant
6. McPhatter
7. Orbison
8. Jackson
9. Wonder
10. Richard

11. Etta James
12. Redding
13. Ian Gillan
14. Perry
15. Daltrey

Wilson, Gaye, Buckey, Joplin, Houston, Charles, and McCartney.
Author:  Negative Creep [ Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:14 am ]
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Cruz already posted the other top 10 on the front page.
Author:  Jack [ Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:36 pm ]
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Bruno wrote:
How about thiis:

1. Presley
2. Aretha
3. Merc
4. Cooke
5. Plant
6. McPhatter
7. Orbison
8. Jackson
9. Wonder
10. Richard

11. Etta James
12. Redding
13. Ian Gillan
14. Perry
15. Daltrey

Wilson, Gaye, Buckey, Joplin, Houston, Charles, and McCartney.


I wouldn't put Perry that high. Also what possible justification do you have for Gillan being above Daltrey?
Author:  Jack [ Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:38 pm ]
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Negative Creep wrote:
Daltrey is being a little underrated here, imo.
If you look to his solo material, you'll see that he has tremendous skill and versatility, probably at least on par with Wonder there.
And obviously his influence and musical impact are huge. He was the definitive hard rock vocalist (after Plant, imo), and the embodiment of the husky, macho mid-range style that so many vocalists were influenced by).

I honestly think he even has a decent shot at being ahead of Wonder.
I'm not guaranteeing it, but I could see a case being made.

Much thanks to Jack (a.k.a. the infamous "knuckle9" from ddd's glory days) for showing many of us the wider spectrum of Daltrey's greatness.


Thanks man. Nice to know I was infamous :p
Author:  Bruno [ Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:32 pm ]
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Negative Creep wrote:
Cruz already posted the other top 10 on the front page.

But he did not say it was the definitive top 10.
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