Adam Lambert

queenrosered · **Posted:** Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:22 pm

Negative Creep wrote:

GUYS, THERE ARE OTHER THREADS ON HERE BESIDES LAMBERT'S!!

Sorry, just venting. He's great and all, but.....goodness....

Yes Creep....there are MANY other threads at DDD.....Someone sounds lonesome.....(just sayin'.....) :whistle:

queenrosered · **Posted:** Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:32 pm

Gregsynthbootlegs wrote:

queenrosered wrote:

Gregsynthbootlegs wrote:

beyonddeities wrote:

Nope.

All right! Well, he does sound better singing in his low/mid range compared to a couple years ago!

BD is correct Greg. I know by your comment ("deteriorated"?) that you never read my post a few months ago where Angelina Kalahari goes into great depth about his vocal techniques that are the same as a male opera tenor's and how the operatic tenor voice deepens and fully matures at around age 36. At that time, he'll still be able to reach the higher "glory notes" effortlessly while at the same time, his barritone will become "deeper and richer"..etc...
Angelina is an opera singer and voice teacher from the UK who flew to the USA to hear Adam live in New Orleans and was so taken with his voice that she went to 2 more shows before returning to the UK.
Lambert will be 30 on the 29th of THIS month. You do have good ears but the conclusion you reached was incorrect.
Good to see you buddy. :wink:

Well, I was hearing some videos of him live, and some of his higher notes didn't sound as clean as they used to (they sounded more nasally and almost "forced" in a way). It may have been one of those nights that a singer's voice isn't 100% on every high note. There's a show Adam did in 2010 (I think in Fantasy Springs), and he was absolutely nailing every song (even in the original keys). Then I heard the same songs in 2011, and although he was still nailing the notes--they didn't sound nearly as "effortless."

Seems ODD Greg that of all the people here...it is YOU who seems to want to insist that Lambert is doing any straining to reach notes.One of the most critical things that you and your Queen friends had to complain about on your video where you disguss and dissect him singing TSMGO is that you guys didn't think he showed enough "intensity" when hitting the high notes and merely "tossed them off"....You said he did it TOO effortlessly. And THAT performance was just in November.
So which is it..."Lambert sounds like crap since his voice is deteriorating" or "Lambert sings too effortlessly, not enough intensity" :question:

How can he be strainging and effortless at the SAME time? :freak:

Sir · **Joined:** Tue Oct 12, 2010 12:19 pm **Posts:** 1054

Gregsynthbootlegs wrote:

Well, I was hearing some videos of him live, and some of his higher notes didn't sound as clean as they used to (they sounded more nasally and almost "forced" in a way). It may have been one of those nights that a singer's voice isn't 100% on every high note. There's a show Adam did in 2010 (I think in Fantasy Springs), and he was absolutely nailing every song (even in the original keys). Then I heard the same songs in 2011, and although he was still nailing the notes--they didn't sound nearly as "effortless."

It's strange. He can sound like he's losing it in one performance then he's back on top on the next one. I'm wondering if the darker tone he started using in mid 2010 was a stylistic choice or not. Fantasy Springs is his absolute best performance, but listen to Club Nokia 16/12/10 and a lot of the brightness is back, the effortless highs...

I prefer his live singing at Fantasy Springs and the later Glam Nation dates to his live Idol performances. Lately I've noticed that those were not his best performances by a long shot...

Oh and the Ellen performance was great!

Gregsynthbootlegs · **Joined:** Tue Oct 12, 2010 2:07 pm **Posts:** 600

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Seems ODD Greg that of all the people here...it is YOU who seems to want to insist that Lambert is doing any straining to reach notes.One of the most critical things that you and your Queen friends had to complain about on your video where you disguss and dissect him singing TSMGO is that you guys didn't think he showed enough "intensity" when hitting the high notes and merely "tossed them off"....You said he did it TOO effortlessly. And THAT performance was just in November.
So which is it..."Lambert sounds like crap since his voice is deteriorating" or "Lambert sings too effortlessly, not enough intensity" :question:

How can he be strainging and effortless at the SAME time? :freak:

Because we're talking about two different performances. No, he wasn't straining on the EMAS, but on OTHER performances from 2011. My biggest complaint about Lambert's performance wasn't the style, but the WRONG NOTES and the OFF KEY notes he was hitting. If he was hitting CORRECT notes, then I wouldn't have done the video.

Gregsynthbootlegs · **Joined:** Tue Oct 12, 2010 2:07 pm **Posts:** 600

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Seems ODD Greg that of all the people here...it is YOU who seems to want to insist that Lambert is doing any straining to reach notes.

I never insisted anything like that. I said on SOME performances, it sounds like his highest notes are "forced." That's hardly comparing to "straining to reach notes."

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One of the most critical things that you and your Queen friends had to complain about on your video where you disguss and dissect him singing TSMGO is that you guys didn't think he showed enough "intensity" when hitting the high notes and merely "tossed them off"....You said he did it TOO effortlessly. And THAT performance was just in November.

I didn't say that. Timitzi/Timi said he sounded "too effortlessly." I said (in the forum--not the video) that Adam simply tossed it off, because the note was piss-easy for him. He didn't put any intensity behind the note. The biggest complaint about the performance was that he was off key and hit incorrect notes--not the style.

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So which is it..."Lambert sounds like crap since his voice is deteriorating" or "Lambert sings too effortlessly, not enough intensity" :question:

How can he be strainging and effortless at the SAME time? :freak:

Now that's just pulling straw-man arguments. I never said he sounded like crap. I had a thought that his high-end was starting to slightly deteriorate (because I heard some performances where his notes weren't as effortless as others), but everyone here says either no or a stylistic choice. Yes, you can strain and be effortless at the same time (Sebastian Bach).

Negative Creep · **Joined:** Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:21 pm **Posts:** 13572

Has Lambert ever sang Communication Breakdown? I'd like to hear that actually...

Val Salva · **Joined:** Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:15 pm **Posts:** 409

Negative Creep wrote:

Has Lambert ever sang Communication Breakdown? I'd like to hear that actually...

Yeah, I like that choice. I wouldn't mind hearing him cover Rush, maybe something like "Working Man".

Sir · **Joined:** Tue Oct 12, 2010 12:19 pm **Posts:** 1054

I heard enough covers by him during Idol personally... :snacks:

cwcalaska · **Joined:** Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:14 am **Posts:** 42

Adam was on Twitter yesterday making some comments and answering questions about singing technique. Probably had read one too many reviews talking about his "falsetto" in BTIKM: (I managed to put these in time order not Twitter order, so read from top down!)

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a lil music education moment: FALSETTO. It's not full, belted out chest voice. It's small, light pretty head voice. Widely misunderstood. :)
Adam Lambert Adam Lambert @adamlambert 21h

...not to b rude - but it's so often used to describe my voice but I hardly ever use my falsetto. Jus' sayin'
Adam Lambert Adam Lambert @adamlambert 21h

One of my fav examples of a wicked falsetto is "Kiss" by Prince. A full tenor chest voice is "Open Arms" by Journey. get the distinction?
Adam Lambert Adam Lambert @adamlambert 21h

“@lestermendez: @adamlambert BUT, when you do sing falsetto, its pure and utter win!” hahah thanks Lester!!
Adam Lambert Adam Lambert @adamlambert 21h

@nrhgardner naw I don't do much of a mix. (prob would be 'safer' for my voice, but..)
In reply to Nick Gardner [asked if Adam uses mixed voice when he belts those high notes]
Adam Lambert Adam Lambert @adamlambert 21h

Haha this is fun. All you singers know exactly what I'm talking about.
Adam Lambert Adam Lambert @adamlambert 21h

@PersianGlamDr on the last album i used falsetto in Broken Open, A Loaded Smile and the "eyes baby eyes" part of Music Again.
In reply to morvarid ma
Adam Lambert Adam Lambert @adamlambert 21h

@CazGlambert_ only when it's high and really light. If its powerful and loud it's called a "belt" "full" or "chest voice".
In reply to **Caz Kelly** [thought falsetto was when voice went really high]
Adam Lambert Adam Lambert @adamlambert 21h

@AhhhAdam yes. Good example. The "nervous" line. But the big "look right thru me aaaaand..." was a belt.
In reply to AhhhAdam
Adam Lambert Adam Lambert @adamlambert 20h

BTIKM is def not falsetto. It's fuckin high! Def tricky. :) but it feels so great to wail that out. Cathartic.
Adam Lambert Adam Lambert @adamlambert 20h

The difference isn't so much about the note being hit, it's HOW it's being hit. Bass/alto/tenor/soprano are vocal ranges.
Adam Lambert Adam Lambert @adamlambert 20h

Ok. Nuff of all that. I'm such a nerd.
Adam Lambert Adam Lambert @adamlambert 20h

I know there's been talk in here at times about his use of chest voice, mixed voice, head voice.

queenrosered · **Posted:** Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:27 pm

Gregsynthbootlegs says:

Quote:

Now that's just pulling straw-man arguments. I never said he sounded like crap. I had a thought that his high-end was starting to slightly deteriorate (because I heard some performances where his notes weren't as effortless as others), but everyone here says either no or a stylistic choice. Yes, you can strain and be effortless at the same time (Sebastian Bach).

The only "straw-man" arguments here are yours dear Greg. :wink:

No, you didn't SAY he "sounded like crap" but wondering if his voice is "deteriorating" implies that some of his recent vocal performances are suddenly , shall we say, for the sake of argument.."less than steller"?
As for "straining vs effortless"..Yes, I have heard Bach and I consider the way he sings to be "gravelly" which is NOT to say that he's not great (he is) but I hear no effort or strain..just a stylistic/technical difference in how he USES his voice vs the way Lambert uses his.
Anyone who's ever been CONSTIPATED knows the difference between "effortless" and "straining" :lol:

Even your continued assertions that he "hits the wrong notes" in TSMGO are incorrect, in my opinion, BECAUSE you ASSUME he meant to use the SAME arrangement and the SAME notes as Mercury did in the studio. I believe it was a CONSCIOUS choice on HIS part and with the agreement of Taylor and May to CHANGE the arrangement to suit HIS voice and style.In which case you were comparing apples to oranges. While I can't PROVE that to be the case, neither can you DISPROVE it. It CERTAINLY fits with all I know about Lambert (which is considerable) and the way HE operates regarding his own stylistic choices. :snacks:

queenrosered · **Posted:** Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:32 pm

cwcalaska wrote:

Adam was on Twitter yesterday making some comments and answering questions about singing technique. Probably had read one too many reviews talking about his "falsetto" in BTIKM: (I managed to put these in time order not Twitter order, so read from top down!)

Quote:

a lil music education moment: FALSETTO. It's not full, belted out chest voice. It's small, light pretty head voice. Widely misunderstood. :)
Adam Lambert Adam Lambert @adamlambert 21h

...not to b rude - but it's so often used to describe my voice but I hardly ever use my falsetto. Jus' sayin'
Adam Lambert Adam Lambert @adamlambert 21h

One of my fav examples of a wicked falsetto is "Kiss" by Prince. A full tenor chest voice is "Open Arms" by Journey. get the distinction?
Adam Lambert Adam Lambert @adamlambert 21h

“@lestermendez: @adamlambert BUT, when you do sing falsetto, its pure and utter win!” hahah thanks Lester!!
Adam Lambert Adam Lambert @adamlambert 21h

@nrhgardner naw I don't do much of a mix. (prob would be 'safer' for my voice, but..)
In reply to Nick Gardner [asked if Adam uses mixed voice when he belts those high notes]
Adam Lambert Adam Lambert @adamlambert 21h

Haha this is fun. All you singers know exactly what I'm talking about.
Adam Lambert Adam Lambert @adamlambert 21h

@PersianGlamDr on the last album i used falsetto in Broken Open, A Loaded Smile and the "eyes baby eyes" part of Music Again.
In reply to morvarid ma
Adam Lambert Adam Lambert @adamlambert 21h

@CazGlambert_ only when it's high and really light. If its powerful and loud it's called a "belt" "full" or "chest voice".
In reply to **Caz Kelly** [thought falsetto was when voice went really high]
Adam Lambert Adam Lambert @adamlambert 21h

@AhhhAdam yes. Good example. The "nervous" line. But the big "look right thru me aaaaand..." was a belt.
In reply to AhhhAdam
Adam Lambert Adam Lambert @adamlambert 20h

BTIKM is def not falsetto. It's fuckin high! Def tricky. :) but it feels so great to wail that out. Cathartic.
Adam Lambert Adam Lambert @adamlambert 20h

The difference isn't so much about the note being hit, it's HOW it's being hit. Bass/alto/tenor/soprano are vocal ranges.
Adam Lambert Adam Lambert @adamlambert 20h

Ok. Nuff of all that. I'm such a nerd.
Adam Lambert Adam Lambert @adamlambert 20h

I know there's been talk in here at times about his use of chest voice, mixed voice, head voice.

Thanks for posting that here CWC. I was on Twitter and read it in real time too. I know it must be frustrating for Adam to read in all the reviews etc...about his "famous falsetto voice" when in reality he rarely resorts to his falsetto.

Yngtchie Blacksteen · **Posted:** Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:49 pm

Sir wrote:

I heard enough covers by him during Idol personally... :snacks:

Couldn't agree more.

Gregsynthbootlegs · **Joined:** Tue Oct 12, 2010 2:07 pm **Posts:** 600

queenrosered wrote:

Gregsynthbootlegs says:

Quote:

Now that's just pulling straw-man arguments. I never said he sounded like crap. I had a thought that his high-end was starting to slightly deteriorate (because I heard some performances where his notes weren't as effortless as others), but everyone here says either no or a stylistic choice. Yes, you can strain and be effortless at the same time (Sebastian Bach).

The only "straw-man" arguments here are yours dear Greg. :wink:

No, you didn't SAY he "sounded like crap" but wondering if his voice is "deteriorating" implies that some of his recent vocal performances are suddenly , shall we say, for the sake of argument.."less than steller"?
As for "straining vs effortless"..Yes, I have heard Bach and I consider the way he sings to be "gravelly" which is NOT to say that he's not great (he is) but I hear no effort or strain..just a stylistic/technical difference in how he USES his voice vs the way Lambert uses his.
Anyone who's ever been CONSTIPATED knows the difference between "effortless" and "straining" :lol:

Even your continued assertions that he "hits the wrong notes" in TSMGO are incorrect, in my opinion, BECAUSE you ASSUME he meant to use the SAME arrangement and the SAME notes as Mercury did in the studio. I believe it was a CONSCIOUS choice on HIS part and with the agreement of Taylor and May to CHANGE the arrangement to suit HIS voice and style.In which case you were comparing apples to oranges. While I can't PROVE that to be the case, neither can you DISPROVE it. It CERTAINLY fits with all I know about Lambert (which is considerable) and the way HE operates regarding his own stylistic choices. :snacks:

Because he DOES hit wrong notes. Do you know what "Key signature" means? Adam hits Eb5 instead of D5. That's not in the key. The song is in B minor. E FLAT DOESN'T BELONG IN THE KEY. You need to stop with the whole "style" thing and look at this thing objectively. HE HITS WRONG NOTES in the song. Ab4 instead of A4 is INCORRECT notes (not a STYLE), hitting B4 instead of C5 is INCORRECT (not a STYLE). Singing FLAT is wrong (not a style). Changing the arrangement would be changing the layout of the song. If Adam hit CORRECT notes but sang the song in his own way, then it's not a problem. Hitting notes half a step OFF is incorrect. He sang off key on the performance, hit wrong notes, went flat, etc. That's a proven fact. My OPINION is that it was bad. The FACT was that he hit WRONG notes and sang flat.

Gregsynthbootlegs · **Joined:** Tue Oct 12, 2010 2:07 pm **Posts:** 600

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_signature#Table

Mumei · **Joined:** Fri Oct 15, 2010 3:32 am **Posts:** 183

Gregsynthbootlegs wrote:

Because he DOES hit wrong notes. Do you know what "Key signature" means? Adam hits Eb5 instead of D5. That's not in the fucking key. The song is in B minor. E FLAT DOESN'T BELONG IN THE KEY. You need to stop with the whole "style" thing and look at this thing objectively. HE HITS WRONG NOTES in the song. Ab4 instead of A4 is INCORRECT notes (not a STYLE), hitting B4 instead of C5 is INCORRECT (not a STYLE). Singing FLAT is wrong (not a style). Changing the arrangement would be changing the layout of the song. If Adam hit CORRECT notes but sang the song in his own way, then it's not a problem. Hitting notes half a step OFF is incorrect. He sang off key on the performance, hit wrong notes, went flat, etc. That's a proven fact. My OPINION is that it was bad. The FACT was that he hit WRONG notes and sang flat.

In the abstract (in the particular, the performance was bleh, after all), is it really such a bad thing to go for a higher note? I mean, don't you guys often think it's really great when a singer exceeds a studio performance by going for more difficult notes live than in studio - whether that means higher, more complex runs, sustained longer, or what-have-you? It just seems sort of odd for that to be the real sticking point for you. Or is that only okay if the key for the entire song has been raised or lowered so everything stays 'even' relative to the studio performance?

... Or would it have been okay if he'd gone for a higher note that was within the key signature? Not sure I get your particular complaint.

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