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With 30,000 people doing lists, there were never gonna be any surprises.

ANYWAY the point is that I love making things like that and I went to make mine and I had 70 albums and got overwhelmed with ranking them and forgot and never published it. Honestly I think it takes some things to have the energy to make one of those: a) some degree of narcissism to assume that literally anyone cares what albums you like b) enough self esteem to believe your choices are correct or to not care if people disagree with you or think less of you because of which albums you like c) the fastidious patience to actually complete a task that is based mainly in narcissism.

“I change my mind every two days about what my favorite record is, so that was a reason I didn’t participate, plus what others said about it being a personal thing, PLUS what [Friend #2] said. I absolutely despise musical discussions with men and when they come up in my life (rarely, nowadays) I get hostile. When I do talk about music, I talk about it with women, or with [Cool Dude Friend Of Ours Who Is A Good Listener And General Ally in Fighting The Patriarchy And Stuff].

[Dude Friend Of Ours] told me about [the People’s List], otherwise I probably wouldn’t have known it was a thing because I don’t read pfork too often. And I looked at his list which was like 50 albums and then this girl he’s crushing on’s list, which had like TEN only. And I was like you cant like her she ranked Spoon too high and obviously doesnt CARE about music since she only listed ten.

Author:	Ryan [ Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:52 am ]
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My #1 didn't make the Top 100. My number #2 didn't even make the list. Serves me right for being tr00 and shit. I only did a ballot because I like making lists kind of had little interest in the results anyway because they were gonna be painfully obvious.

Author:	Avery_Island [ Wed Aug 22, 2012 12:19 pm ]
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Georgi wrote: With 30,000 people doing lists, there were never gonna be any surprises. This is true, the more people you have with these lists, the more boring they are. That's why I like the RYM custom lists when you can just pick 4 or 5 of your favourite users and get recommendations that way. On the plus side, nice to see Untrue make the top 20 for British voters.

Author:	dreamcoil [ Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:05 pm ]
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yeah rym custom charts are the best, by a longshot that p4k top 20 is literally embarassing save some options. showing how even your run of the mill 'indie rawk' is not free from canonisation. this basically sums up why people deride pitchfork so much -arcade fire's suburbs and the xx in the top 20? -funeral is an experimental album? -ok c/kid a/itaots in the hip hop lists? -ok c/kid a/itaots in the metal lists? people need to get off arcade fire's dick (i would suggest getting off radiohead's dick too but radiohead are actually one of the very few in music history that deserve that kind of adoration). also confirms the theory that the masses are fucking dumb. the only interesting things about those lists are the % distinction index

Author:	Georgi [ Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:10 pm ]
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I think the idea with the genre lists is to look at the lists on the right side, to see the albums appearing unique to people who selected that genre as their favourite. The likes of OKC/Funeral etc... would appear in most people's list, so would surely end up on the overall lists of every genre on left.

Author:	batman [ Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:26 pm ]
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What was cool was the "More Lists from the People" section, where they had the percentage index to see who voted for certain albums more than others. Found some interesting data... -Teenagers like Odd Future a lot... -20 somethings love FLOCKA and still have a soft spot for 2001 -The generation right before me missed the moment where everyone became okay with guilty pleasures -Old people like alternative rock -The only age group that has an album they like more than OK Computer is 10-15 year olds, they prefer In The Aeroplane Over the Sea -Women don't like Ween -Men don't like Regina Spektor -Pop fans have the most eclectic tastes -The rest of the world besides America doesn't care about Sublime -Pitchfork thinks of Brooklyn and NYC as separate cities. Does everyone think this way? -Californians like to dance

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Author:	Ryan [ Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:01 pm ]
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The write-ins are interesting, particularly considering that there's some huge albums that Pitchfork didn't include (what they included was based, I imagine, on what they reviewed when it came out). Three of the write-ins on that list (Shape of Punk To Come, This is Hardcore, Blur's s/t) were stuff I included on my own list. Out of my list, 24 of 50 got on the big list, and quite a bit of what did (aside from the obvious things) didn't get very high anyway.

Author:	batman [ Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:32 pm ]
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some ladiez explain why hardly any girls made lists http://lindsayzoladz.tumblr.com/post/29 ... they-didnt thoughts? if you look at the point distribution, there are a lot of albums that no girls liked, or hardly any guys liked. but if you just look at total points, girls and guys seemed to have more or less equivalent tastes.

Author:	jumpman8828 [ Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:46 pm ]
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Ha Quote: ANYWAY the point is that I love making things like that and I went to make mine and I had 70 albums and got overwhelmed with ranking them and forgot and never published it. Honestly I think it takes some things to have the energy to make one of those: a) some degree of narcissism to assume that literally anyone cares what albums you like b) enough self esteem to believe your choices are correct or to not care if people disagree with you or think less of you because of which albums you like c) the fastidious patience to actually complete a task that is based mainly in narcissism. This is list-making me in a nutshell. With the pfork list, with treefingers too.

Author:	dreamcoil [ Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:53 pm ]
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yeah thats largely part of the reason i had never contributed to any lists other than the most recent treefingers. also ranking arbitrarily related works of music and comparing them to one another seems genuinely wrong to me, both as a function of the artists' intention and my listening purpose. however i ended up making a list because it was fun. i agree with some of those things those girls are saying but disagree with the whole "blabla men do this and women don't" crap.

Author:	batman [ Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:55 pm ]
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Yeah especially the girl who basically says men are narcissistic and women aren't.

Author:	Georgi [ Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:02 pm ]
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For me, it's just too hard to do a list properly (longer than about 10 or 20 entries) cos I'll never be able to feel fully aware and up to date about my feelings about every entry. Remember what Wanta said he the best lists showed a couple of pages back in this thread? That they were constantly changing and in the moment. But in any one moment, I doubt I have more than about 10 album (if that) that I'll feel I've explored properly. How can I absorb so many albums in the moment? I'd say it's impossible for me. It's a bit of fun to make a list now and again, but they're not too important in the grand schemes of things. I really don't get what that writer is saying about list makers having self esteem to think their lists are "correct" - I'm pretty sure no one actually thinks that way.

Author:	wantabodylikeme [ Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:04 pm ]
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making lists is the only creative activity I actually do I think, other than that it's just massive consumption the point of lists is to recommend, either to introduce entirely new things to a person or offer a personal perspective to already familiar things. And for me, by far the latter is my favorite thing I come across in either reading lists or making my own, seeing how some works have grown in certain ways and resonate with you at that very moment of conceiving a list. A beautiful thing really.

Author:	bman [ Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:03 pm ]
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Rashed, what's your beef with xx? Not that I have a problem, just that I legitimately consider it one of my favourite albums EVER, and I'm curious as to why you don't think it's so great.

Author:	dreamcoil [ Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:06 pm ]
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watered down and derivative of many of my favourite records. lazy songwriting, kept afloat by the fact that jamie xx is a genius. great atmosphere and mood though, you know im a sucker for dreampop. but the xx just doesn't do it for me.

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