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| Author: | Dubrow555 [ Wed Sep 06, 2023 7:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Movies |
Zach wrote: I think I like Akira over Ran, too. The former has considerable influence on animated films, possibly enough to make up for the latter's clear win in acclaim. And then Akira, I would think, has at least a little advantage in popularity. Either way, they're in the same ballpark overall, I'd say. I could get on board with that too. |
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| Author: | Tim [ Wed Sep 06, 2023 7:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Movies |
I wouldn't have Raise the Red Lantern over In the Mood for Love. The latter has more than four times views on IMDb (without adjusting for era but these films are only 9 years apart) and ranked much more generously on tspdt (the top 20 vs the top 500). I would maybe give influence to Raise the Red Lantern but I don't think it's enough to overturn the match-up. |
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| Author: | Dubrow555 [ Wed Sep 06, 2023 7:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Movies |
Tim wrote: I wouldn't have Raise the Red Lantern over In the Mood for Love. The latter has more than four times views on IMDb (without adjusting for era but these films are only 9 years apart) and ranked much more generously on tspdt (the top 20 vs the top 500). I would maybe give influence to Raise the Red Lantern but I don't think it's enough to overturn the match-up. Very good point, I'll hold off on it then. |
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| Author: | pauldrach [ Thu Sep 07, 2023 3:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Movies |
226. The Last Laugh 227. Boyhood 228. Gravity 229. Our Hospitality 230. The Tree of Life 231. Finding Nemo 232. Dr. Mabuse the Gambler Part One: The Great Gambler 233. Ran 234. Andrei Rublev 235. Gladiator 236. The Usual Suspects 237. Freaks 238. Häxan 239. Beauty and the Beast [Cocteau] 240. Manhattan 241. Memento 242. The Phantom Carriage 243. Yojimbo 244. Mean Streets 245. Carrie 246. The Thin Man 247. The Manchurian Candidate 248. Nashville 249. A Woman Under the Influence 250. Make Way for Tomorrow |
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| Author: | Tim [ Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Movies |
Discuss: 226. Andrei Rublev - Andrei Tarkovsky (1966) 227. Yojimbo - Akira Kurosawa (1961) 228. The Last Laugh - F. W. Murnau (1924) 229. Hiroshima mon amour - Alain Resnais (1959) 230. The Usual Suspects - Bryan Singer (1995) 231. Finding Nemo - Andrew Stanton & Lee Unkrich (2003) 232. The Thing - John Carpenter (1982) 233. Manhattan - Woody Allen (1979) 234. Boyhood - Richard Linklater (2014) 235. Mean Streets - Martin Scorsese (1973) 236. Carrie - Brian De Palma (1976) 237. Akira - Katsuhiro Ôtomo (1988) 238. Gravity - Alfonso Cuarón (2013) 239. Gladiator - Ridley Scott (2000) 240. Ran - Akira Kurosawa (1985) 241. Once Upon a Time in America - Sergio Leone (1984) 242. Beauty and the Beast - Jean Cocteau (1946) 243. Our Hospitality - Buster Keaton & John G. Blystone (1923) 244. Meet Me in St. Louis - Vincente Minnelli (1944) 245. Beauty and the Beast - Gary Trousdale & Kirk Wise (1991) 246. To Be or Not to Be - Ernst Lubitsch (1942) 247. Freaks - Tod Browning (1932) 248. Memento - Christopher Nolan (2000) 249. The Manchurian Candidate - John Frankenheimer (1962) 250. Nashville - Robert Altman (1975) |
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| Author: | Dubrow555 [ Thu Sep 07, 2023 8:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Movies |
looks great! |
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| Author: | Bruno [ Thu Sep 07, 2023 8:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Movies |
Good, Tim. |
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| Author: | ManPerson [ Thu Sep 07, 2023 3:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Movies |
Our Hospitality seems a bit high. I'd clearly give Meet Me in St. Louis and To Be or Not To Be acclaim and popularity so I'd put it at 246. Also I'd give a lot of the movies below Gravity acclaim and influence. Comparing it with 2 movies that are 10+ spots below it Gravity vs Memento Initial Popularity: Gravity easily Lasting Popularity: Memento fairly easily Initial Acclaim: Close, maybe Gravity Lasting Critical Acclaim: Memento Lasting Audience Acclaim: Memento easily Influence: Memento Popularity: Gravity Acclaim: Memento Influence: Memento Gravity vs The Manchurian Candidate Initial Popularity: Gravity easily Lasting Popularity: Hard to compare since 2010s films are disproportionately favored on pretty much all the rating sites. Maybe a tie Initial Acclaim: Pretty much a tie Lasting Critical Acclaim: The Manchurian Candidate Lasting Audience Acclaim: The Manchurian Candidate Influence: The Manchurian Candidate by quite a bit Popularity: Gravity fairly easily Acclaim: The Manchurian by a small amount Influence: The Manchurian Candidate by quite a bit Boyhood vs Moonlight Initial Popularity: Tie Lasting Popularity: Close, leaning towards Moonlight Initial Acclaim: Pretty much a tie Lasting Critical Acclaim: Moonlight Lasting Audience Acclaim: Seems pretty close Influence: Neither has much but leaning towards Moonlight Popularity: Pretty much a tie Acclaim: Moonlight slightly Influence: Moonlight by a small amount Maybe we could put Moonlight right above it, or something. |
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| Author: | Tim [ Thu Sep 07, 2023 5:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Movies |
I don't know if we need Moonlight on here before La La Land or arguably A Separation. |
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| Author: | ManPerson [ Thu Sep 07, 2023 5:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Movies |
Tim wrote: I don't know if we need Moonlight on here before La La Land or arguably A Separation. Well, I'd say it has very similar, and probably better, credentials to Boyhood so if it's below those two, Boyhood probably should as well |
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| Author: | Tim [ Thu Sep 07, 2023 6:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Movies |
Well, paul wanted to get Boyhood on the list as far back as when we were at #126-150 range. Would be kinda cruel to deny it to him now. Anyway, wanna wrap up this section? |
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| Author: | Tim [ Thu Sep 07, 2023 6:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Movies |
Just saying but Boyhood has quite a bit better rating on IMDb than Moonlight. Is it cause Moonlight is viewed as a "woke" movie? Plausible but still. Also, while Moonlight is now rated higher than Boyhood on tspdt it's also a rather recent development. |
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| Author: | Dubrow555 [ Thu Sep 07, 2023 6:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Movies |
ManPerson wrote: Our Hospitality seems a bit high. I'd clearly give Meet Me in St. Louis and To Be or Not To Be acclaim and popularity so I'd put it at 246. Also I'd give a lot of the movies below Gravity acclaim and influence. Comparing it with 2 movies that are 10+ spots below it Gravity vs Memento Initial Popularity: Gravity easily Lasting Popularity: Memento fairly easily Initial Acclaim: Close, maybe Gravity Lasting Critical Acclaim: Memento Lasting Audience Acclaim: Memento easily Influence: Memento Popularity: Gravity Acclaim: Memento Influence: Memento Gravity vs The Manchurian Candidate Initial Popularity: Gravity easily Lasting Popularity: Hard to compare since 2010s films are disproportionately favored on pretty much all the rating sites. Maybe a tie Initial Acclaim: Pretty much a tie Lasting Critical Acclaim: The Manchurian Candidate Lasting Audience Acclaim: The Manchurian Candidate Influence: The Manchurian Candidate by quite a bit Popularity: Gravity fairly easily Acclaim: The Manchurian by a small amount Influence: The Manchurian Candidate by quite a bit Boyhood vs Moonlight Initial Popularity: Tie Lasting Popularity: Close, leaning towards Moonlight Initial Acclaim: Pretty much a tie Lasting Critical Acclaim: Moonlight Lasting Audience Acclaim: Seems pretty close Influence: Neither has much but leaning towards Moonlight Popularity: Pretty much a tie Acclaim: Moonlight slightly Influence: Moonlight by a small amount Maybe we could put Moonlight right above it, or something. All good points, I could certainly see Memento above Gravity. I’m a little concerned how much we are pushing Boyhood down. Like we’ve mentioned before, it is one of the absolute most acclaimed films of all time, especially for a modern film. I’m also not seeing a justification for Moonlight to leapfrog both La La Land & A Separation (A Separation in particular wins both influence and audience acclaim pretty easily). Just my thought - but I’m totally fine with Boyhood staying where it is and letting the other 2010’s films wait for later. |
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| Author: | ManPerson [ Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Movies |
Tim wrote: Well, paul wanted to get Boyhood on the list as far back as when we were at #126-150 range. Would be kinda cruel to deny it to him now. Anyway, wanna wrap up this section? Well, I did originally suggest moving moonlight up, not the other way around. |
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| Author: | Tim [ Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Movies |
Tim wrote: Anyway, wanna wrap up this section?
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