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| Author: | pauldrach [ Fri Dec 27, 2019 11:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Films by Year |
How is Oldboy > Lost in Translation when LiT wins both acclaim and popularity? Other than that this is fine with me. |
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| Author: | Bruno [ Fri Dec 27, 2019 11:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Films by Year |
pauldrach wrote: How is Oldboy > Lost in Translation when LiT wins both acclaim and popularity? Other than that this is fine with me. Agreed. Good list. |
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| Author: | Luuk [ Fri Dec 27, 2019 2:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Films by Year |
Why Elephant + American Splendor + Good Bye, Lenin! > Love Actually + The Fog of War? Since paul accused Tim and me of over-emphasizing on critical acclaim, I expected to see Love Actually on his list. It grossed almost 250 million dollars at the worldwide box office, is quite possibly the most popular and beloved Christmas movie of the 21st century, was parodied and copied countless times and inspired a lot of similar movies, and even has decent critical acclaim. The Fog of War is, together with The Thin Blue Line, Morris' most acclaimed and important movie. It finally got him an Oscar for Best Documentary, and since Morris is one of the most important and influential documentary filmmakers of all time, I think at least these two should end up in the Top 20 of their respective years. |
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| Author: | Tim [ Fri Dec 27, 2019 4:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Films by Year |
pauldrach wrote: How is Oldboy > Lost in Translation when LiT wins both acclaim and popularity? Other than that this is fine with me. Yes, but It's not like Oldboy is lacking in these at all. It's the most notable Korean movie internationally, at least till Parasite came along but even that is arguable. It undeniably increased Korean cinema's visibility in the West while I am not aware of specific LiT influence. |
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| Author: | pauldrach [ Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Films by Year |
Tim wrote: pauldrach wrote: How is Oldboy > Lost in Translation when LiT wins both acclaim and popularity? Other than that this is fine with me. Yes, but It's not like Oldboy is lacking in these at all. It's the most notable Korean movie internationally, at least till Parasite came along but even that is arguable. It undeniably increased Korean cinema's visibility in the West while I am not aware of specific LiT influence. OK, that's true. Keep them in that order. |
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| Author: | pauldrach [ Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Films by Year |
Luuk-DireStraits wrote: Why Elephant + American Splendor + Good Bye, Lenin! > Love Actually + The Fog of War? Since paul accused Tim and me of over-emphasizing on critical acclaim, I expected to see Love Actually on his list. It grossed almost 250 million dollars at the worldwide box office, is quite possibly the most popular and beloved Christmas movie of the 21st century, was parodied and copied countless times and inspired a lot of similar movies, and even has decent critical acclaim. The Fog of War is, together with The Thin Blue Line, Morris' most acclaimed and important movie. It finally got him an Oscar for Best Documentary, and since Morris is one of the most important and influential documentary filmmakers of all time, I think at least these two should end up in the Top 20 of their respective years. I guess this is mainly a question of how we measure acclaim against popularity. If there's no objective way to handle this problem (and I don't see any), I like to go for a well-balanced list. I don't have any problem with adding "The Fog of War" and "Love Actually" at the expense of "Good Bye, Lenin" and "The Last Samurai" for instance. I don't want the lists to over-emphasize critical acclaim, nor to over-emphasize popularity. My comment was mainly aimed at your inclusion of "Moolaadé", a movie that made your lists solely because of critical acclaim while you excluded "Spider-Man 2" at the same time, a movie with huge popularity and notable acclaim. Imo "Love Actually" and "The Fog of War" are worthy inclusions. "Moolaadé" wasn't, whereas "Spider-Man 2" was a mandatory inclusion imo, so your lists seemed to blow the balance between acclaim and popularity out of proportion. |
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| Author: | Luuk [ Sat Dec 28, 2019 6:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Films by Year |
I don't think we should drop Last Samurai, though. Ridiculously popular, considering its #6 spot on the worldwide box office list: a notable feat for a historical drama (yes, it featured a number of action sequences and starred Tom Cruise, but still). Also, it featured arguably one of Cruise's best performances of his career and the movie has reasonable acclaim, with four Oscar noms and three Golden Globe noms under its belt. I think Good Bye, Lenin! and American Splendor are the ones to drop here. |
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| Author: | Tim [ Sat Dec 28, 2019 8:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Films by Year |
The Last Samurai is kinda controversial pick though, and it's not like it's so historically significant we have to include it, i.e. The Birth of a Nation. Pretty poor RT and metacritic numbers as well. I vote for dropping it. |
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| Author: | Tim [ Sat Dec 28, 2019 8:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Films by Year |
1. The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King - Peter Jackson 2. Finding Nemo - Andrew Stanton & Lee Unkrich 3. Oldboy - Park Chan-wook 4. Lost in Translation - Sofia Coppola 5. Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl - Gore Verbinski 6. Kill Bill: Volume 1 - Quentin Tarantino 7. Dogville - Lars von Trier 8. Mystic River - Clint Eastwood 9. Memories of Murder - Bong Joon-ho 10. The Triplets of Belleville - Sylvain Chomet 11. The Return - Andrey Zvyagintsev 12. Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World - Peter Weir 13. Big Fish - Tim Burton 14. Elephant - Gus Van Sant 15. 21 Grams - Alejandro González Iñárritu 16. Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter... and Spring - Kim Ki-duk 17. The Barbarian Invasions - Denys Arcand 18. Love Actually - Richard Curtis 19. Good Bye, Lenin! - Wolfgang Becker 20. The Fog of War - Errol Morris |
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| Author: | pauldrach [ Sat Dec 28, 2019 11:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Films by Year |
I would have rather kept American Splendor than Good Bye, Lenin! but I'm ok with this. |
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| Author: | Tim [ Sat Dec 28, 2019 12:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Films by Year |
Put the last list but with American Splendor on it on the first page. To the 2002 then. |
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| Author: | Zach [ Sat Dec 28, 2019 2:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Films by Year |
Spirited Away for #1. |
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| Author: | Tim [ Sat Dec 28, 2019 2:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Films by Year |
Spirited Away gonna be on 2001 list. It v Mulholland Dr. v Fellowship will be a fun decision to make. |
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| Author: | pauldrach [ Sun Dec 29, 2019 9:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Films by Year |
TSPDT 1. City of God - Fernando Meirelles & Kátia Lund 2. Russian Ark - Alexander Sokurov 3. Talk to Her - Pedro Almodóvar 4. Punch-Drunk Love - Paul Thomas Anderson 5. Tie Xi Qu: West of the Tracks - Wang Bing 6. Far from Heaven - Todd Haynes 7. Blissfully Yours - Apichatpong Weerasethakul 8. The Son - Jean-Pierre & Luc Dardenne 9. Distant - Nuri Bilge Ceylan 10. Adaptation. - Spike Jonze 11. Irréversible - Gaspar Noé 12. The Pianist - Roman Polanski 13. Ten - Abbas Kiarostami 14. The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers - Peter Jackson 15. Hero - Zhang Yimou 16. The Man Without a Past - Aki Kaurismäki 17. To Be and to Have - Nicolas Philibert 18. Bowling for Columbine - Michael Moore 19. About Schmidt - Alexander Payne 20. 25th Hour - Spike Lee 21. Gerry - Gus Van Sant 22. Oasis - Lee Chang-Dong 23. Morvern Callar - Lynne Ramsay 24. The Hours - Stephen Daldry 25. Minority Report - Steven Spielberg 26. Infernal Affairs - Andrew Lau & Alan Mak 27. Gangs of New York - Martin Scorsese 28. Unknown Pleasures - Jia Zhangke 29. 24 Hour Party People - Michael Winterbottom 30. 28 Days Later - Danny Boyle 31. Femme Fatale - Brian De Palma 32. Spider - David Cronenberg 33. Bus 174 - José Padilha & Felipe Lacerda 34. Spellbound - Jeffrey Blitz 35. Waiting for Happiness - Abderrahmane Sissako 36. Divine Intervention - Elia Suleiman 37. Solaris - Steven Soderbergh 38. Whale Rider - Niki Caro 39. Lilya 4-Ever - Lukas Moodysson 40. In America - Jim Sheridan 41. Rabbit-Proof Fence - Phillip Noyce 42. Demonlover - Olivier Assayas 43. Chicago - Rob Marshall 44. Sweet Sixteen - Ken Loach 45. Dirty Pretty Things - Stephen Frears 46. Bloody Sunday - Paul Greengrass 47. Vendredi soir - Claire Denis 48. In This World - Michael Winterbottom 49. My Mother's Smile - Marco Bellocchio 50. About a Boy - Chris & Paul Weitz 51. Bend It Like Beckham - Gurinder Chadha 52. The Kid Stays in the Picture - Nanette Burstein & Brett Morgen 53. Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance - Park Chan-Wook 54. The Century of the Self - Adam Curtis 55. Catch Me if You Can - Steven Spielberg 56. Spider-Man - Sam Raimi 57. The Quiet American - Phillip Noyce 58. All or Nothing - Mike Leigh 59. Road to Perdition - Sam Mendes 60. Mondays in the Sun - Fernando Léon de Aranoa 61. Springtime in a Small Town - Tian Zhuangzhuang 62. The Ring - Gore Verbinski 63. Corpus Callosum - Michael Snow 64. Signs - M. Night Shyamalan 65. The Magdalene Sisters - Peter Mullan 66. Raising Victor Vargas - Peter Sollett 67. Stevie - Steve James 68. Japón - Carlos Reygadas 69. Funny Ha Ha - Andrew Bujalski 70. Secretary - Steven Shainberg 71. Decasia - Bill Morrison 72. 8 Mile - Curtis Hanson 73. Dracula: Pages from a Virgin's Diary - Guy Maddin 74. Jackass: The Movie - Jeff Tremaine 75. On the Occasion of Remembering the Turning Gate - Hong Sang-Soo 76. The Man on the Train - Patrice Leconte 77. Ararat - Atom Egoyan 78. Lilo & Stitch - Dean DeBlois & Chris Sanders 79. Balzac and the Little Chinese Seamstress - Dai Sijie 80. Back Against the Wall - James Fotopoulos 81. Gambling, Gods and LSD - Peter Mettler 82. Blue Gate Crossing - Yee Chih-Yen 83. Dolls - Takeshi Kitano 84. Igby Goes Down - Burr Steers 85. Sex Is Comedy - Catherine Breillat 86. Confessions of a Dangerous Mind - George Clooney 87. Standing in the Shadows of Motown - Paul Justman 88. Blade II - Guillermo del Toro 89. Sunshine State - John Sayles 90. Auto Focus - Paul Schrader 91. Devdas - Sanjay Leela Bhansali 92. Unfaithful - Adrian Lyne 93. The Bourne Identity - Doug Liman 94. The Good Girl - Miguel Arteta 95. Chihwaseon - Im Kwon-Taek Films101 1. City of God - Fernando Meirelles & Kátia Lund 2. The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers - Peter Jackson 3. The Pianist - Roman Polanski 4. Talk to Her - Pedro Almodóvar 5. Far from Heaven - Todd Haynes 6. Adaptation. - Spike Jonze 7. Gangs of New York - Martin Scorsese 8. The Hours - Stephen Daldry 9. Ten - Abbas Kiarostami 10. Chicago - Rob Marshall 11. About Schmidt - Alexander Payne 12. Hero - Zhang Yimou 13. Russian Ark - Alexander Sokurov 14. Rabbit-Proof Fence - Phillip Noyce 15. The Man Without a Past - Aki Kaurismäki 16. Infernal Affairs - Andrew Lau & Alan Mak 17. Devdas - Sanjay Leela Bhansali 18. Irréversible - Gaspar Noé 19. Road to Perdition - Sam Mendes 20. The Quiet American - Phillip Noyce 21. Bowling for Columbine - Michael Moore 22. The Magdalene Sisters - Peter Mullan 23. Minority Report - Steven Spielberg 24. The Son - Jean-Pierre & Luc Dardenne 25. Whale Rider - Niki Caro 26. In America - Jim Sheridan 27. 25th Hour - Spike Lee 28. Distant - Nuri Bilge Ceylan 29. Morvern Callar - Lynne Ramsay 30. Sunshine State - John Sayles 31. 24 Hour Party People - Michael Winterbottom 32. Spider-Man - Sam Raimi 33. The Man on the Train - Patrice Leconte 34. To Be and to Have - Nicolas Philibert 35. Insomnia - Christopher Nolan 36. Spellbound - Jeffrey Blitz 37. Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones - George Lucas 38. Spider - David Cronenberg 39. Bend It Like Beckham - Gurinder Chadha 40. Dirty Pretty Things - Stephen Frears 41. Bloody Sunday - Paul Greengrass 42. Punch-Drunk Love - Paul Thomas Anderson 43. Frida - Julie Taymor 44. One Hour Photo - Mark Romanek 45. The Good Girl - Miguel Arteta 46. The Bourne Identity - Paul Greengrass 47. Nicholas Nickleby - Douglas McGrath 48. The Crime of Padre Amaro - Carlos Carrera 49. Cavale - Lucas Belvaux 49. Un couple épatant - Lucas Belvaux 49. Après la vie - Lucas Belvaux RYM 1. City of God - Fernando Meirelles & Kátia Lund 2. Tie Xi Qu: West of the Tracks - Wang Bing 3. The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers - Peter Jackson 4. The Pianist - Roman Polanski 5. Day of the Wacko - Marek Koterski 6. Adaptation. - Spike Jonze 7. Punch-Drunk Love - Paul Thomas Anderson 8. Talk to Her - Pedro Almodóvar 9. The Son - Jean-Pierre & Luc Dardenne 10. Oasis - Lee Chang-Dong 11. Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance - Park Chan-Wook 12. Blissfully Yours - Apichatpong Weerasethakul 13. The Twilight Samurai - Yôji Yamada 14. The Man Without a Past - Aki Kaurismäki 15. Lilya 4-Ever - Lukas Moodysson 16. Decasia - Bill Morrison 17. Dolls - Takeshi Kitano 18. At the First Breath of Wind - Franco Piavoli 19. Infernal Affairs - Andrew Lau & Alan Mak 20. Bloody Sunday - Paul Greengrass 21. Edifício Master - Eduardo Coutinho 22. 25th Hour - Spike Lee 23. 28 Days Later - Danny Boyle 24. Russian Ark - Alexander Sokurov 25. Distant - Nuri Bilge Ceylan 26. Far from Heaven - Todd Haynes 27. Catch Me if You Can - Steven Spielberg 28. An Evening with Kevin Smith - J. M. Kenny 29. All or Nothing - Mike Leigh 30. Stevie - Steve James 31. Hero - Zhang Yimou 32. On the Occasion of Remembering the Turning Gate - Hong Sang-Soo 33. 24 Hour Party People - Michael Winterbottom 34. Bus 174 - José Padilha & Felipe Lacerda 35. Ten - Abbas Kiarostami 36. To Be and to Have - Nicolas Philibert 37. Irréversible - Gaspar Noé 38. Sweet Sixteen - Ken Loach 39. A Snake of June - Shinya Tsukamoto 40. The Weather Underground - Sam Green & Bill Siegel 41. The Magdalene Sisters - Peter Mullan 42. I Am Trying to Break Your Heart - Sam Jones 43. My Mother's Smile - Marco Bellocchio 44. Is It College Yet? - Karen Disher 45. The Bourne Identity - Doug Liman 46. Road to Perdition - Sam Mendes 47. Year of the Devil - Petr Zelenka 48. Unknown Pleasures - Jia Zhangke 49. Rabbits - David Lynch 50. Samurai Jack: The Premiere Movie - Genndy Tartakovsky Worldwide box office 1. The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers - Peter Jackson 2. Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets - Chris Columbus 3. Spider-Man - Sam Raimi 4. Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones - George Lucas 5. Men in Black II - Barry Sonnenfeld 6. Die Another Day - Lee Tamahori 7. Signs - M. Night Shyamalan 8. Ice Age - Chris Wedge & Carlos Saldanha 9. My Big Fat Greek Wedding - Joel Zwick 10. Minority Report - Steven Spielberg 11. Catch Me if You Can - Steven Spielberg 12. Chicago - Rob Marshall 13. Austin Powers in Goldmember - Jay Roach 14. xXx - Rob Cohen 15. Scooby-Doo - Raja Gosnell 16. Lilo & Stitch - Dean DeBlois & Chris Sanders 17. The Ring - Gore Verbinski 18. 8 Mile - Curtis Hanson 19. The Bourne Identity - Doug Liman 20. Red Dragon - Brett Ratner 21. Two Weeks Notice - Marc Lawrence 22. Panic Room - David Fincher 23. The Sum of All Fears - Phil Alden Robinson 24. Gangs of New York - Martin Scorsese 25. Road to Perdition - Sam Mendes 26. Sweet Home Alabama - Andy Tennant 27. Hero - Zhang Yimou 28. The Santa Clause 2 - Michael Lembeck 29. Mr. Deeds - Steven Brill 30. Stuart Little 2 - Rob Minkoff 31. The Scorpion King - Chuck Russell 32. Maid in Manhattan - Wayne Wang 33. Blade II - Guillermo del Toro 34. About a Boy - Chris & Paul Weitz 35. Space Station 3D - Toni Myers 36. The Time Machine - Simon Wells 37. Spirit: Stallion of the Cimarron - Kelly Asbury & Lorna Cook 38. The Pianist - Roman Polanski 39. Spy Kids 2: The Island of Lost Dreams - Robert Rodriguez 40. Unfaithful - Adrian Lyne 41. Snow Dogs - Brian Levant 42. We Were Soldiers - Randall Wallace 43. Insomnia - Christopher Nolan 44. Return to Never Land - Robin Budd & Donovan Cook 45. Treasure Planet - John Clements & Ron Musker 46. The Hours - Stephen Daldry 47. About Schmidt - Alexander Payne 48. The Tuxedo - Kevin Donovan 49. Resident Evil - Paul W. S. Anderson 50. John Q. - Nick Cassavetes IMDb (Number of ratings) 1. The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers - Peter Jackson 2. Catch Me if You Can - Steven Spielberg 3. The Pianist - Roman Polanski 4. City of God - Fernando Meirelles & Kátia Lund 5. Spider-Man - Sam Raimi 6. Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones - George Lucas 7. Harry Potter and the Chamber of the Secrets - Chris Columbus 8. The Bourne Identity - Doug Liman 9. Minority Report - Steven Spielberg 10. Ice Age - Chris Wedge & Carlos Saldanha 11. Gangs of New York - Martin Scorsese 12. 28 Days Later - Danny Boyle 13. Men in Black II - Barry Sonnenfeld 14. Signs - M. Night Shyamalan 15. The Ring - Gore Verbinski 16. Equilibrium - Kurt Wimmer 17. The Transporter - Louis Leterrier & Corey Yuen 18. Insomnia - Christopher Nolan 19. Panic Room - David Fincher 20. Phone Booth - Joel Schumacher 21. Red Dragon - Brett Ratner 22. Resident Evil - Paul W. S. Anderson 23. 8 Mile - Curtis Hanson 24. Road to Perdition - Sam Mendes 25. Chicago - Rob Marshall 26. Die Another Day - Lee Tamahori 27. A Walk to Remember - Adam Shankman 28. Blade II - Guillermo del Toro 29. Austin Powers in Goldmember - Jay Roach 30. Hero - Zhang Yimou 31. xXx - Rob Cohen 32. Adaptation. - Spike Jonze 33. About a Boy - Chris & Paul Weitz 34. 25th Hour - Spike Lee 35. Lilo & Stitch - Dean DeBlois & Chris Sanders 36. Punch-Drunk Love - Paul Thomas Anderson 37. Mr. Deeds - Steven Brill 38. The Scorpion King - Chuck Russell 39. We Were Soldiers - Randall Wallace 40. The Count of Monte Cristo - Kevin Reynolds 41. Reign of Fire - Rob Bowman 42. The Hours - Stephen Daldry 43. About Schmidt - Alexander Payne 44. John Q. - Nick Cassavetes 45. My Big Fat Greek Wedding - Joel Zwick 46. The Time Machine - Simon Wells 47. Infernal Affairs - Andrew Lau & Alan Mak 48. Irréversible - Gaspar Noé 49. One Hour Photo - Mark Romanek 50. Bend It Like Beckham - Gurinder Chadha Academy Awards Chicago - Rob Marshall Gangs of New York - Martin Scorsese The Hours - Stephen Daldry The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers - Peter Jackson The Pianist - Roman Polanski Animated Ice Age - Chris Wedge & Carlos Saldanha Lilo & Stitch - Dean DeBlois & Chris Sanders Spirit: Stallion of the Cimarron - Kelly Asbury & Lorna Cook Treasure Planet - Ron Clements & John Musker Foreign The Crime of Padre Amaro - Carlos Carrera Hero - Zhang Yimou The Man Without a Past - Aki Kaurismäki The Twilight Samurai - Yôji Yamada Twin Sisters - Ben Sombogaart Golden Globes Drama The Hours - Stephen Daldry About Schmidt - Alexander Payne Gangs of New York - Martin Scorsese The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers - Peter Jackson The Pianist - Roman Polanski Musical or Comedy Chicago - Rob Marshall About a Boy - Chris & Paul Weitz Adaptation. - Spike Jonze Bend It Like Beckham - Gurinder Chadha My Big Fat Greek Wedding - Joel Zwick Nicholas Nickleby - Douglas McGrath Foreign Talk to Her - Pedro Almodóvar Balzac and the Little Chinese Seamstress - Dai Sijie City of God - Fernando Meirelles & Kátia Lund The Crime of Padre Amaro - Carlos Carrera Hero - Zhang Yimou BAFTA Awards The Pianist - Roman Polanski Chicago - Rob Marshall Gangs of New York - Martin Scorsese The Hours - Stephen Daldry The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers - Peter Jackson British Bend It Like Beckham - Gurinder Chadha Dirty Pretty Things - Stephen Frears The Hours - Stephen Daldry In This World - Michael Winterbottom The Magdalene Sisters - Peter Mullan Foreign In This World - Michael Winterbottom Talk to Her - Pedro Almodóvar City of God - Fernando Meirelles & Kátia Lund Devdas - Sanjay Leela Bhansali To Be and to Have - Nicolas Philibert Cannes The Pianist - Roman Polanski Venice The Magdalene Sisters - Peter Mullan Berlin Bloody Sunday - Paul Greengrass In This World - Michael Winterbottom Locarno The Longing - Iain Dilthey |
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| Author: | Tim [ Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Films by Year |
2002 1. City of God - Fernando Meirelles & Kátia Lund 2. The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers - Peter Jackson 3. The Pianist - Roman Polanski 4. Talk to Her - Pedro Almodóvar 5. Far from Heaven - Todd Haynes 6. 28 Days Later - Danny Boyle 7. Russian Ark - Alexander Sokurov 8. Adaptation. - Spike Jonze 9. Punch-Drunk Love - Paul Thomas Anderson 10. Bowling for Columbine - Michael Moore 11. Hero - Zhang Yimou 12. Spider-Man - Sam Raimi 13. Blissfully Yours - Apichatpong Weerasethakul 14. Chicago - Rob Marshall 15. 25th Hour - Spike Lee 16. The Son - Jean-Pierre & Luc Dardenne 17. The Man Without a Past - Aki Kaurismäki 18. Gangs of New York - Martin Scorsese 19. Catch Me if You Can - Steven Spielberg 20. Infernal Affairs - Andrew Lau & Alan Mak |
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