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Author:  Sherick [ Thu Mar 03, 2011 5:36 pm ]
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Huh?
Author:  Eric J [ Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:09 pm ]
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Echoes, any opinion on this?

vankush wrote:
Echoes wrote:

I disagree. I think that George is right.

IMO Clapton´s way is the standard when playing wah wah.


I disagree with you. I think most guys that make extensive use of the way follow the Hendrix route of using it to explore textures and make a song more intense, either when repeating a chord of group of notes a few times, or when shredding and playing fast. I'm thinking of guys like Zakk Wylde, Steve Vai, guys that like to make songs intense. Clapton only used it on a few songs, and he didn't do much with it but just make the notes sound cool, other than that it was a regular solo, not nearly as many people follow Clapton in that sense.
Author:  Echoes [ Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:47 pm ]
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I was waiting for George to join the discussion.

IMO Clapton was the first to use wah wah “to explore textures and make a song more intense”:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BGlFsf9DM8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InCXnxPLSBU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWzrXs4S ... re=related

In fact, I think that Tales influenced Hendrix:

When it came to pre-Jimi guitar heroes, Clapton was, well, God. Hell, when Chas Chandler told Hendrix he wanted to take him back to the U.K. and record him, the first thing Hendrix asked was, “Can you introduce me to Eric Clapton?” But by the time Clapton and Cream were to record their highly anticipated second album, Disraeli Gears, Hendrix had changed the playing field immensely—so E.C. needed to bring it. With engineer Tom Dowd (Aretha Franklin, Otis Redding) and producer Felix Pappalardi at the mixing desk, Cream were enjoying an embarrassment of riches for an English rock group—they got to go to America and record on an 8-track machine. Cream also brought their amps across the pond–big, bad 100-watt JTM Marshalls—although photos from the sessions suggest there were some small Fender combos used as well. Upon arriving in New York, the band holed up in Atlantic Studios and began recording a new tune of Clapton’s (with lyrics by Australian artist Martin Sharp), “Tales of Brave Ulysses.” During a break from tracking, Clapton hit Manny’s on 48th Street and purchased a Vox wah-wah. The rest, as they say, is history, as “Tales” is the tune that placed the wah in the collective brain of guitarists everywhere—especially Hendrix, who says that tune was the first time he heard the effect.

Without a doubt, the tune (and rite of passage for any budding blues/rock guitarist) “Sunshine of Your Love” is the track Disraeli Gears is best known for, with a riff that’s as classic as “Smoke on the Water,” and a solo that is as lyrically keen as anything Clapton has ever committed to tape. And for a guy who already set the world on fire with his supercharged tones on the Bluesbreakers’ “Beano” album nearly two years earlier, Clapton did it again on Disraeli Gears, flaunting his vaunted “woman tone,” which he achieved with various combinations of rolling down his guitar’s tone controls, and/or notching his Vox wah. Prime examples of this trademark howl can be found on “Swlabr,” “Outside Woman Blues” (a tune written by Louisiana bluesman Blind Joe Reynolds), “Blue Condition,” and “We’re Going Wrong.”

Clapton used two guitars for the sessions (save for Clapton’s first—and last—electric 12-string excursion courtesy of a Fender XII on “Dance the Night Away”): a black three-pickup Les Paul Custom, and one of his most famous guitars, the ’64 Gibson SG painted by the Dutch artists known as The Fool. —DF

http://www.guitarplayer.com/article/the ... 2007/26852


After that, I think Clapton established what will be the standard in the use of wah wah (a lot of players like Hammett plays this way):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZeqwdWoeo
Author:  Echoes [ Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:58 pm ]
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Sinisterism wrote:
Why is Kurt so high again?


First, can we agree that Cobain´s guitar playing is really close to the classics?


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUHz0i8_ziA[/youtube]


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30ktWPrWPDc[/youtube]


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXcNQTa3zgs[/youtube]


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvyDWGF290M[/youtube]


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ETn88NAlLI[/youtube]


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaWmsSqD2Bg[/youtube]


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTWKbfoikeg[/youtube]
Author:  Sodacake [ Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:06 pm ]
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Why does that matter?
Author:  Sid_Vicious_24 [ Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:24 pm ]
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Yeah Echoes, what the fuck was that? That's one of the stupidest things you've ever said.
Author:  George [ Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:40 pm ]
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Echoes wrote:
I was waiting for George to join the discussion.
i politely decline the invitation
Author:  Echoes [ Fri Mar 04, 2011 12:16 am ]
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Sodacake wrote:
Why does that matter?


Because I am kind of tired of hearing crap like Cobain can’t play, or Cobain is not a complete guitarist or that he doesn’t have enough chops.

I think that his guitar playing style is not that different from the guitar playing style of some of the guitarists I mentioned.
Author:  Sherick [ Fri Mar 04, 2011 12:22 am ]
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Why do you keep bringing up the same things over and over, no matter how much it's shot down? You haven't had a single original thing to say this entire topic. Same goes for every single time you poke your head into the vocalist forum.
Aside from that, your most recent rehashed argument is amongst the dumbest yet and comes off as throwing a temper tantrum after everybody has shot you down. Cobain is not a particularly talented or influential guitarist, get over it.
Author:  Echoes [ Fri Mar 04, 2011 12:36 am ]
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And why you say that he is not talented?
Author:  Sherick [ Fri Mar 04, 2011 12:42 am ]
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Because it has not been proven otherwise.
Author:  Echoes [ Fri Mar 04, 2011 1:00 am ]
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As soon as the list is done, I will make a Kurt Cobain Guitar Thread!

:metal: :metal: :metal:
Author:  Machine Head [ Fri Mar 04, 2011 1:08 am ]
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Echoes wrote:
Any opinions about the list?

I think is more balanced, with guitarists from all genres and from all eras.


    1. Jimi Hendrix
    2. Eric Clapton
    3. Jimmy Page
    4. Eddie Van Halen
    5. Chuck Berry
    6. Jeff Beck
    7. Richie Blackmore
    8. George Harrison, John Lennon & Paul McCartney (The Beatles)
    9. Pete Townshend
    10. Tony Iommi
    11. Keith Richards
    12. Duane Allman
    13. Scotty Moore
    14. Stevie Ray Voughan
    15. Carlos Santana
    16. David Gilmour
    17. Brian May
    18. Robert Fripp
    19. Steve Howe
    20. Steve Cropper
    21. Yngwie Malmsteen
    22. Peter Green
    23. Mike Bloomfield
    24. Frank Zappa
    25. Randy Rhoads
    26. Joe Satriani
    27. Michael Schenker
    28. Steve Hackett
    29. Jerry Garcia
    30. Alex Lifeson
    31. Steve Vai
    32. Thurston Moore & Lee Ranaldo (Sonic Youth)
    33. Slash
    33. Bo Diddley
    34. Curtis Mayfield
    35. Kurt Cobain
    36. John Frusciante
    37. Jonny Greenwood, Ed O'Brien & Thom Yorke (Radiohead)
    38. Link Wray
    39. James Burton
    40. Mike McCready & Stone Gossard (Pearl Jam)
    41. The Edge
    42. Dick Dale
    43. James Hetfield & Kirk Hammett (Metallica)
    44. Eddie Hazel
    45. Jerry Cantrell
    46. John Fogerty
    47. Dave Murray & Adrian Smith (Iron Maiden)
    48. Stephen Stills
    49. Angus Young & Malcolm Young (AC/DC)
    50. Glenn Tipton & K.K. Downing (Judas Priest)
    51. Marty Friedman
    52. Dave Davies & Ray Davies (The Kinks)
    53. Dickey Betts
    54. Tom Morello
    55. John Petrucci
    56. Neal Schon
    57. Richie Sambora
    58. Warren Haynes
    59. Derek Trucks
    60. Dimebag Darrell
    61. Matt Bellamy

:facepalm: Why do we even bother?
Author:  Echoes [ Fri Mar 04, 2011 1:10 am ]
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My good pal Machine!

Why don´t you like my list?

:cry:
Author:  Machine Head [ Fri Mar 04, 2011 5:17 am ]
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Echoes wrote:
Because I am kind of tired of hearing crap like Cobain can’t play, or Cobain is not a complete guitarist or that he doesn’t have enough chops.


I'm kinda tired of you making baseless assumptions, stupid generalisations, dumbass comments and mindless attacks on other guitarists you don't like while glorifying your favourites, then either running away from the argument or insulting people when they question you.

Echoes wrote:
I think that his guitar playing style is not that different from the guitar playing style of some of the guitarists I mentioned.


That kinda counts against him.
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