100 Greatest Rock Guitarists (Alternative Version)

Machine Head · **Posted:** Sat Mar 19, 2011 4:20 am

Echoes wrote:

No. I have presented external sources that agree with me.

A bunch of music magazines/websites saying "kurt cobain is a great guitarist" doesn't prove anything, nor does it back up your argument in any way.

Echoes wrote:

Why don´t you present some sources that agrees with you?

He doesn't need to. He's already proved that, in guitar terms, Dimebag Darrell > Kurt Cobain (although that should be apparent to anyone who knows anything about guitar)

Echoes wrote:

To say that his guitar tone have nothing to do with the Grunge movement is pure ignorance.

Explain to us how his guitar tone is linked to the 'grunge movement'.

Echoes wrote:

The grunge movement started with SLTS.

The rise in popularity of the musical sub-genre grunge in the 90's was due in no small way to SLTS, Nevermind and Nirvana. This says nothing about guitar, though.

Echoes wrote:

As mentioned before (and backed up by external sources), that song is a as important as any other great guitar song (Purple Haze, Satisfaction, Day Tripper, etc).

a.) Like I said before, a bunch of magazines/websites saying 'kurt cobain is a great guitarist' and/or 'SLTS is one of the greatest guitar tracks of all time' doesn't actually prove anything.
b.) That song is nowhere near as important as Purple Haze or Satisfaction in guitar terms. I'd say it's about equal with Day Tripper, though I dunno why you lumped in DT with Satisfaction and PH.
c.) Even if it was as important as Satisfaction, that would only be 1 great guitar song by Cobain (even though judging a guitarist by how many 'great guitar songs' you think they have is fucking stupid).

Machine Head · **Posted:** Sat Mar 19, 2011 4:22 am

Echoes wrote:

Here we go again. Living in denial.

Song #2 (the signature song of Blur) is 100% influenced by Cobain´s guitar. Fuck, even FS has agreed with me on that.

Just listen to it. Even the tone is really similar.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlAHZURxRjY[/youtube]

Probably the only similarity I could draw between the guitar performance on SLTS and Song 2 was that they both had riffs played on electric guitars.

Machine Head · **Posted:** Sat Mar 19, 2011 4:24 am

Echoes wrote:

What about this one?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asOvnGHwtDU[/youtube]

Same as Song 2; no discernible similarities asides from the obvious (riff on electric guitar)

Machine Head · **Posted:** Sat Mar 19, 2011 4:31 am

Echoes wrote:

As in the main list, creativity is the songwriting department.

Cobain, as a guitar songwriter, was not that great. Great songwriter overall, sure, but not as a guitar songwriter.

Echoes wrote:

For this list, to create a great melody on a guitar is a sign of greatness.

How?

Echoes wrote:

To play the melody as a solo is also acceptable and considered classic rock guitar playing.

Acceptable to who? Considered by who? Stop using your opinions as arguments for your god-awful list.

Echoes wrote:

These are 2 of my favorite solos that makes just that:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ8jH5jHRhc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELu094t17m8

Good thing you don't let your personal preferences get in the way of making an objective list, right? Oh wait....

Echoes wrote:

In Bloom is #65 at Guitar World’s Solos List.
http://guitar.about.com/library/bl100greatestf.htm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhRwkC6RxcU[/youtube]

That list also has Floods at #15 and Walk at #57, both by Dimebag. Your own link refutes you, give up now :lol:

Echoes · **Joined:** Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:43 am **Posts:** 4564

pgm wrote:

Sherick wrote:

Quote:

Song #2 (the signature song of Blur) is 100% influenced by Cobain´s guitar. Fuck, even FS has agreed with me on that.

Just listen to it. Even the tone is really similar.

I don't see anything remotely unique to Cobain's style in that clip.
Nor do I find anything remotely unique to Cobain's style in Cobain's playing.

And even if those both are true, Song 2 is not Blur's signature song. It's an aberration. They wrote that song to make fun of American music and in particular the late grunge/early post-grunge artists. They believed you could write a nonsense song with a catchy guitar riff and it would become popular in America.

Tell that to these guys:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYRqtteQPj8[/youtube]

:metal:

Forgotten Son · **Posted:** Sat Mar 19, 2011 10:07 am

Have you actually heard any of Blur's music other than Song #2? It was a throwaway parody that became unexpectedly popular.

Echoes · **Joined:** Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:43 am **Posts:** 4564

Forgotten Son wrote:

Have you actually heard any of Blur's music other than Song #2? It was a throwaway parody that became unexpectedly popular.

Of course. In Mexico most British bands are huge. I don´t know why but they are really popular, from The Beatles to Radiohead. In my case maybe I love them because I´m 1/16 British.

Are you going to accept (as you did once) that Song #2 sounds like Nirvana?

Echoes · **Joined:** Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:43 am **Posts:** 4564

BTW, I have to say that I am kind of disappointed that no one has proposed Graham Coxon for the top 100.

Sodacake · **Posted:** Sat Mar 19, 2011 11:20 am

he isn't worthy of the top 100.

Echoes · **Joined:** Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:43 am **Posts:** 4564

I think he could be above Buckethead.

Sadly, I don´t know what influence Coxon has on today’s rock guitar and I know anyone of you will help me with that.

Sodacake · **Posted:** Sat Mar 19, 2011 12:48 pm

Why should we help you?

Echoes · **Joined:** Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:43 am **Posts:** 4564

Because I don’t know that many new guitarists. I would really like to know to which new guitarists the younger generation is listening to.

Sherick · **Joined:** Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:22 pm **Posts:** 10453

Echoes wrote:

Are you going to accept (as you did once) that Song #2 sounds like Nirvana?

Did you read what pgm said?

Echoes · **Joined:** Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:43 am **Posts:** 4564

Did you really think that I don´t know the history of Song #2?

Sherick · **Joined:** Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:22 pm **Posts:** 10453

So you made an asinine, meaningless point for no reason?

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