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Author:  Classic Rock Junkie [ Sat Jan 01, 2011 4:41 am ]
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Echoes wrote:
Forgotten Son wrote:
Who knows 100% of Buckethead´s work? He has tons of albums. I personally love Population Override, Colma and Electric Tears. I finally got Chinese Democracy and I will listen to that album asap.

He has great technique and feeling. However, this list is called greatest rock guitarist, so IMO he is nowhere near the top of the best guitarists from the last 20 years:

1. Cobain
2. White
3. Radiohead
4. Frusciante
5. Pearl Jam
6. Cantrell
7. Morello
8. Matt Bellamy
9. Dimebag
10. Trucks
11. Omar Rodriguez-Lopez
12. Zakk Wylde
13. Josh Homme
14. Kim Thayil
15. Billy Corgan
16. Graham Coxon
17. Noel Gallagher
18. Buckethead

This list is Heavy Metal/Shredder heaven, so that is why Buckethead is so ahead of all other guitarists from the 90´s and 00´s. But who cares? Guitar driven rock has been dead now for 22 years so fuck them all.

As an aside, have you actually heard any Jack White?


lol, Jack White sucks hard at guitar, I don't know what you're talking about, the guitarist from Radiohead and Dimebag both are lightyears ahead of him

EDIT: The list has it right, Dimebag is 94 and jack white is like 247, now I don't even like Pantera, but I can tell when a guitarist sucks, and when one is somewhat good, now neither of them are Brian May or Steve Howe, but hey...white is in the right spot
Author:  Classic Rock Junkie [ Sat Jan 01, 2011 4:47 am ]
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Echoes wrote:
I love this one:

George wrote:
the appearance of evh - as you've alluded but ultimately dismissed - shifted the landscape of rock guitar world more than anyone since hendrix... evh is the clear standout of his generation, by far its most influential and important stylist... whereas page, for all his unquestionable greatness, had hendrix, beck, clapton, and iommi for competition as the greatest trend-setter of his generation, and outside of jimi i see the rest of them more-or-less tied in that regard.


So, EVH is the best of his generation. No doubt about it.

Cobain and White are the greatest rock guitarists of their generations, therefore, they should also be included in the top 10.

:thumb:

Check this out:

The appearance of Cobain shifted the landscape of rock guitar world more than anyone since EVH... Cobain is the clear standout of his generation, by far its most influential and important stylist. (The same thing could be said about White).

You might like or not Cobain and White guitar style. That is not important.


This is just about the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Being the best of your generation doesn't mean much, nor warrant a top 10 spot. If everyone in your generation can play one guitar string, only one, and make it sound shitty, and you can play a chord, that doesn't warrant you a top 10 greatest of all time spot. Not only that, neither of them are the 'best' guitarists of their generation. Eddie Van Halen not only had talent and skill, he, like Hendrix, revolutionized how guitar was played, pushed it's limits, and redefined it, along with doing some of the best guitar performances of all time. Jack White and Cobain have brought nothing new to guitar playing (like Hendrix' use of wah wah and Eddie's unique tapping), have not invented any new style (maybe Kurt, but you can find his style derived from a combination of metal and early 80's punk, pretty much fused two old idea into a new, but not unique, style, Jack has done nothing), and unlike EVH and Hendrix who were both very skilled, Kurt and White both suck at guitar, you can take lessons and practice for a month and you'll be better than both of them, I'm not even joking here.

Also, White has about no influence on the guitar world (STRICTLY guitar world), and Kurt had little influence on actual guitar playing as well (Nirvana the band is very influential, and kurt as a figure for contributing to grundge, but his contributions to guitar playing and sound are almost null).
Author:  Classic Rock Junkie [ Sat Jan 01, 2011 4:52 am ]
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Bruce wrote:
Sabbath's influence is very isolated. It is huge on one relatively small sub-genre (heavy metal) and pretty much nonexistent on any other parts of rock and roll.


Who is this person with almost no music knowledge? Sabbath influence the entire metal genre, along with hard rock (though Zeppelin had more influence specifically in hard rock), and metal small sub-genre? Metal is a significantly larger genre than grunge or punk, just look at the sub divisions on this site for lists, not only that, they revolutionized sound, they invented a genre, and influenced nearly every future 70's/80's rock band in SOME way or another. All 90's hard rock/metal bands have more Sabbath sound than Zeppelin now, to be honest.

Saying Sabbath's influence is small is just plain ignorant, and saying metal (or heavy), is a small sub-genre is beyond asinine, it's just plain retarded. Get some music education and do your research good sir. And anyone who agrees with him shouldn't be talking about these lists until they open themselves up to a little more music. I listen to ALL music, I mean ALL music. I don't like all of it, I hate almost all rap and a lot of punk and modern day music (I'm a 60's 70's guy), but I can APPRECIATE good music and HAVE LEARNED TO GIVE CREDIT WHERE IT'S DO. I suggest you all do the same.
Author:  Echoes [ Sat Jan 01, 2011 4:53 am ]
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Why you are speaking about Hendrix, EVH, White and Cobain in the same post?
Author:  Echoes [ Sat Jan 01, 2011 4:55 am ]
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Classic Rock Junkie wrote:
Bruce wrote:
Sabbath's influence is very isolated. It is huge on one relatively small sub-genre (heavy metal) and pretty much nonexistent on any other parts of rock and roll.


Who is this person with almost no music knowledge? Sabbath influence the entire metal genre, along with hard rock (though Zeppelin had more influence specifically in hard rock), and metal small sub-genre? Metal is a significantly larger genre than grunge or punk, just look at the sub divisions on this site for lists, not only that, they revolutionized sound, they invented a genre, and influenced nearly every future 70's/80's rock band in SOME way or another. All 90's hard rock/metal bands have more Sabbath sound than Zeppelin now, to be honest.

Saying Sabbath's influence is small is just plain ignorant, and saying metal (or heavy), is a small sub-genre is beyond asinine, it's just plain retarded. Get some music education and do your research good sir. And anyone who agrees with him shouldn't be talking about these lists until they open themselves up to a little more music. I listen to ALL music, I mean ALL music. I don't like all of it, I hate almost all rap and a lot of punk and modern day music (I'm a 60's 70's guy), but I can APPRECIATE good music and HAVE LEARNED TO GIVE CREDIT WHERE IT'S DO. I suggest you all do the same.


He is telling the truth. On DDD, Rap, R&B and other genres are concidered rock.
Author:  Classic Rock Junkie [ Sat Jan 01, 2011 4:56 am ]
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Echoes wrote:
Why you are speaking about Hendrix, EVH, White and Cobain in the same post?

because you did...
Author:  Echoes [ Sat Jan 01, 2011 4:58 am ]
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Classic Rock Junkie wrote:
Echoes wrote:
Why you are speaking about Hendrix, EVH, White and Cobain in the same post?

because you did...


I didn´t mentioned Hendrix. George did.
Author:  Classic Rock Junkie [ Sat Jan 01, 2011 4:58 am ]
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Echoes wrote:

He is telling the truth. On DDD, Rap, R&B and other genres are concidered rock.


Who is? Me or Bruce?
Author:  Classic Rock Junkie [ Sat Jan 01, 2011 4:59 am ]
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Echoes wrote:
Classic Rock Junkie wrote:
Echoes wrote:
Why you are speaking about Hendrix, EVH, White and Cobain in the same post?

because you did...


I didn´t mentioned Hendrix. George did.


Yeah, my bad, I just meant the entire thing you were discussing with the quote
Author:  Echoes [ Sat Jan 01, 2011 4:59 am ]
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Classic Rock Junkie wrote:
Echoes wrote:

He is telling the truth. On DDD, Rap, R&B and other genres are concidered rock.


Who is? Me or Bruce?


Bruce.
Author:  Echoes [ Sat Jan 01, 2011 5:02 am ]
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Just think about this, how many heavy metar artists are included in the Rock N Roll hall of fame? Two.

I was like you, I thought that guitar driven rock was huge, now I have learn my lesson and now i think guitar driven rock is dead. (Mostly thanks to people like you).
Author:  Classic Rock Junkie [ Sat Jan 01, 2011 5:10 am ]
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Echoes wrote:
Just think about this, how many heavy metar artists are included in the Rock N Roll hall of fame? Two.

I was like you, I thought that guitar driven rock was huge, now I have learn my lesson and now i think guitar driven rock is dead. (Mostly thanks to people like you).

guitar driven rock is not dead, number one. It's waining, but nearly every rock band now a days still depends heavily on guitar, all the rest are 'pop' or 'pop rock', which I don't consider rock because they make music to make money, not to write good music. We all know this, that's why music sucks now a days and 60's 70's music is still considered by many of our generation to still be 'the best'. I don't know anyone who can look me in the face and say todays music is better than what was in the 60's/70's. Number two, rock and roll hall of fame is completely subjective an the people are retards because Yes is a better and more influential band than 95% of the bands in there and has yet to be nominated, and btw, there are like 5 heavy metal bands in there, and the fact that Metallica is in there above some other makes no sense, you should know that, since almost everyone knows they're full of shit. Three, due to people like me, there is still a chance that good music can be produced, and people will strive to actually LEARN about music and APPRECIATE it, and hopefully, bring taste back in to composition in exchange for 'fame' (like 99% of the rap artists and random shit punk/metal bands that come out every two weeks, not saying the genre's are bad, there are some great, talented, and tasteful musicians in rap, but the majority of it now a days is tasteless trash to make money). People like you, who tend to be ignorant and ignore the facts, or look at them but don't understand it, are the reason that classic rock could some day die out and we'll lose good music, and be forced to listen to shit like the White Stripes for the rest of our lives. God damnit. If we had Beatles, Doors, Doobie Brothers, Zeppelin, The Who, or any artists of that calibur in the past 20 years, we'd be in a different situation. Only ones I can think of are Tool, Dream Theater, and Coldplay.
Author:  Classic Rock Junkie [ Sat Jan 01, 2011 5:15 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 250+ Greatest Rock Guitarists
Echoes wrote:
Just think about this, how many heavy metar artists are included in the Rock N Roll hall of fame? Two.

I was like you, I thought that guitar driven rock was huge, now I have learn my lesson and now i think guitar driven rock is dead. (Mostly thanks to people like you).


Explain how I led to it's death? If anything, Kurt Cobain and White led to it's death. The fact that people started focusing less on guitar and more on sound/lyrics started in the early 90's with grundge, where solo's and crazy shredding (metal) and complex/tasteful guitar (classic rock/prog) was thrown out the window for basic rhythm parts so you could focus on talentless vocals and synthesizers, because they didn't want to actually 'learn' how to play an instrument, that started more around grunge and pop. Then, now a days we have people focusing on making money and not on actually producing good music parts. They write thinking 'what can I make that's simple enough that the idiots of the world can appreciate it, and I, who suck at guitar, can play it, and still make money'. That's what White and a lot of 00 artists write like. I always considered music like Yes to be high-brow, not because I'm stuck up, but because you can legitimately have not only an interpretive dance class based around it (which, they actually did in a few schools), but you could base an entire music theory/fusion theory class on their music. Can you do that with White or Cobain? No.

People supporting their guitar playing is leading to the death of good guitar composition and playing. I'm fighting to keep it alive. Cobain did a good thing for music, he focused on doing what he wanted, and writing sketchy lyrics that had good meaning and interesting sound. White is producing shit for money, and messing up the balance of music.
Author:  Forgotten Son [ Sat Jan 01, 2011 12:54 pm ]
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Oh look: a retard fight.
Author:  Echoes [ Sat Jan 01, 2011 1:17 pm ]
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Classic:

I agree with you. Rock guitar has been death during the last 20 years and classic rock is the next genre to be forgotten. Why? Because the legacy of the classic rock guitarists resides in guitarists like Cobain, White, Fuss, Rodriguez-Lopez, etc. Guitarists who according to you and this list are ultimate shit. Here is my new discovery: Iommi (#1 guitar influence of Cobian and Metallica) is a bad guitar influence.

Forgotten:

Fuck off.
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