If I'm not mistaken influence and impact are key...and I've never known Satch nor Vai to be regarded as players who are as important/influential as the other two...yet they are leagues above them on this list. Feel free to correct me. Of course we all know that Roth and Schenker score pretty damn high in all the criteria, not just influence/impact.

Here are some guys Uli has influenced:
Marty Friedman, Yngwie Malmsteen, Kirk Hammett, Joe Stump, Gus G, Andy DiGelsomina, Michael Romeo,James Byrd,Wolf Hoffman, Alex Masi, Michael Amott, Chris Amott, Dave Mustaine, Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, Chris Impellitteri, Eddie Van Halen, Jason Becker, Michael Denner and Hank Shermann of Mercyful Fate.

Schenker has influenced:
Kirk Hammett and James Hetfield, Dave Mustaine , Adrian Smith , Randy Rhoads, Michael Amott , Chris Caffery , Gus G , Vinny Burns, George Lynch , Doug Aldrich, Warren DeMartini , Frank Hannon, Slash, Michael Wilton, Paul Gilbert , Roland Grapow, Aaron Aedy, Alex Skolnick and Eric Peterson, Andy LaRocque , Gary Holt, Grant Estes, Arjen Lucassen, Andy DiGelsomina, Hans Ziller , Jim Matheos, Michael Denner and Hank Shermann , Tak Matsumoto , Marty Friedman ,Dec James

On my list I have Schenker right next to Vai and Satriani.

I haven´t included Uli because I don´t know what is so great about him. Why do you think Uli is in the same league as Schenker????

Okay...shit.lol This is semantics Seeker. We both know that Roth and Schenker were influential. That's all I'm saying. That they are influential enough to be raised a couple spots. If you want to be semantic, Becker had indirect influence from Uli because Becker's biggest influence later was openly Friedman, whose biggest lead influence was Roth. I wish you'd try and focus on my main argument as opposed to the specific players I may be wrong about. It doesn't mean they weren't influential, as we both know they are.

Dom

It isnt really semantics.

People use the term 'influential' all over the place in an effort to manoeuvre players up the lists. My point is that most of those type of comments have no real basis in fact.

You cannot glibly list 20 guitarists you claim are influenced by Schenker without backing it up when challenged and I gave a couple of examples. I dont know where you got your lists from, but do you even know who Andy Di Gelsomina is? Do you that he has made 1 independant album as Lyraka, that was a Wagnerian Heavy Metal Opera with Graham Bonnet singiing on a couple of tracks. But more importantly, do you know he is a an occasional poster on DDD??. He is a real nice guy and Blackmore/Uli/Wagner are his stated influences, but that hardly justifies being used as a reason to raise Uli John.

My point is that 'heresay influence' is almost irrelevant. Have you ever heard BB King say anything bad about anyone? No you haven't because he is a great guy and according to him there are about 50 'best guitar players I ever heard.'

If influence has a place in the criteria (and of course it should), then you really have to do the research and almost demonstrate cause and effect.

As for Schenker himself, I'm as bigger fan as anyone (including you). I did the original Schenker solos list 5 years ago. I dont have a problem with his position, but I wouldnt complain if he was half a dozen places higher either.

Thanks. I'm more of an album guy anyway. We're a vanishing breed.

I have a bit of a gripe with Mustaine being two spots behind Morello, but before I say anything more, I seem to remember Mustaine being somewhat higher, so if there was a reason you guys lowered him I'd like to know what it is (or if I'm wrong that he was lowered).

Is Adam Jones from Tool really that bad?

Mutt

The trinity of studio albums is:-

Moving Waves
Hamburger Concerto
Focus 3

I never felt the same after Jan left.

Its difficult to recommend individual tracks because as a prog outfit, the songs tended to roll into one. Although the obvious ones are Hocus Pocus and the Eruption suite off Moving Waves and the Hamburger Concerto suite, both of which were the whole sides of the albums.

Here is a link to a remastered, great quality Hamburger concerto suite live - (Jans best work comes at around 9:00 mins)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqaa9qwpmSA



Live at the Rainbow is fantastic if the quality is a little poor

He's a brilliant musician, just less of a guitarist's guitarist I guess. He's not a bad player at all.

He's not bad but there's nothing particularly remarkable about his playing. I would describe him as just ordinary.