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| Author: | Domino the Rattlehead [ Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 250+ Greatest Rock Guitarists |
CC Deville is the pinnacle of an ordinary guitarist imo. It doesn't get anymore derivative than that. |
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| Author: | boo boo [ Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 250+ Greatest Rock Guitarists |
Ha. Seriously I was going to mention him specifically, but I decided to be fair to all the other generic hair metal guitarists out there, there's a lot of 'em. But yeah CC is the definitive example. |
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| Author: | boo boo [ Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 250+ Greatest Rock Guitarists |
rockvirtuoso wrote: but mayer is ordinary. the real lie would be putting him on a list of 'great' guitarists, no matter what position You are right as always, my friend. Can I give you a hug? |
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| Author: | Domino the Rattlehead [ Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 250+ Greatest Rock Guitarists |
boo boo wrote: Ha. Seriously I was going to mention him specifically, but I decided to be fair to all the other generic hair metal guitarists out there, there's a lot of 'em. But yeah CC is the definitive example. In fairness, there are guys like George Lynch and Reb Beach that might be unoriginal in certain ways but are so damn skilled they make up for it. CC just has very little to offer in general. Very marginal phrasing, no originality,lame tone, not much in chops. |
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| Author: | The Seeker [ Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 250+ Greatest Rock Guitarists |
Go CC !! [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBR8GWL9N8g[/youtube] PS A moderator is quite welcome to delete this post ! |
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| Author: | boo boo [ Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 250+ Greatest Rock Guitarists |
boo boo wrote: rockvirtuoso wrote: but mayer is ordinary. the real lie would be putting him on a list of 'great' guitarists, no matter what position You are right as always, my friend. Can I give you a hug? ARGH WHAT THE HELL? I DIDN'T SAY THAT. I THOUGHT THIS WAS AMERICUH. 
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| Author: | KeithMoonIsGod [ Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 250+ Greatest Rock Guitarists |
Just listened to Trevor Rabin's new album. He's really branching out in his styles, adding blues playing, as well as jazz and jazz fusion elements. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6nN6o9a4QA[/youtube] Really cool lead playing here, as well as some nice bass playing by Tal Wilkenfeld. |
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| Author: | boo boo [ Sat Feb 09, 2013 2:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 250+ Greatest Rock Guitarists |
Rabin is a pretty solid player, but I don't think he will ever live down his reputation as the guy who turned Yes into a lame, watered down arena rock band. The albums Yes released between 90125 and Keys to Acsension are pretty much no man's land for me. |
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| Author: | Domino the Rattlehead [ Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 250+ Greatest Rock Guitarists |
boo boo wrote: Rabin is a pretty solid player, but I don't think he will ever live down his reputation as the guy who turned Yes into a lame, watered down arena rock band. The albums Yes released between 90125 and Keys to Acsension are pretty much no man's land for me. It may look that way but no one guy was fully responsible for that. Obviously Yes were totally keen on becoming a pop band and I think everyone else in the band during that era is as much to blame as he. I mean Howe went off and made Asia at one point who were more or less the same thing, thank God he wasn't the guy who did that in Yes though.haha |
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| Author: | boo boo [ Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 250+ Greatest Rock Guitarists |
Well he was the primary songwriter during his time with the band, he wrote most of 90125 which paved the way for their future direction, remember he joined the group before Jon returned, and even when Jon returned Rabin was still the de facto leader of the band until his departure. He's generally disliked by the old school Yes fans, in part because of his role in their creative shift in direction and in part because he's not Steve Howe. I think a band like Asia is excused because of the pedigree of the members involved. After Howe and Wetton cut masterpieces like Close to the Edge and Red respectively, they're allowed to sell out when they're no longer at their creative peak. Ravin had always been a mainstream pop guy so he's fair game for prog fans. |
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| Author: | Domino the Rattlehead [ Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 250+ Greatest Rock Guitarists |
boo boo wrote: Well he was the primary songwriter during his time with the band, he wrote most of 90125 which paved the way for their future direction, remember he joined the group before Jon returned, and even when Jon returned Rabin was still the de facto leader of the band until his departure. He's generally disliked by the old school Yes fans, in part because of his role in their creative shift in direction and in part because he's not Steve Howe. I think a band like Asia is excused because of the pedigree of the members involved. After Howe and Wetton cut masterpieces like Close to the Edge and Red respectively, they're allowed to sell out when they're no longer at their creative peak. Ravin had always been a mainstream pop guy so he's fair game for prog fans. I must admit I did not know he was the primary writer, but then again you have to blame guys like Andersen just as much for giving it "the Go". With bands you have to blame the "ok" from the other members as much as the writing, when the decision is poor. I do agree Howe is easier to excuse because damn it, that guy made some of the best music ever written. I think I see what you mean though, when a player joins a band and the band immediately becomes something much less than they were creatively, that guy will forever be seen as the lame duck. And I may actually not have my facts straight, Rabin joined and then they became arena rock while Jon was away, didn't know that(thought Jon was still in the band). Forgive me, admittedly I don't know much about Yes's career during that era so I suppose that says volumes about what I care about their pop material.lol It isn't really that bad, but it's disheartening when they were once the ultimate prog outfit. |
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| Author: | boo boo [ Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 250+ Greatest Rock Guitarists |
Yeah Jon left the band after Tormato to focus on his solo career and his collaborations with Vangelis, they replaced him with Trevor Horn and replaced Wakeman with Geoff Downes and did one studio album (Drama) and one live album (Yesshows) and then broke up. After this break up is when Howe and Downes formed Asia with Wetton and Palmer. Meanwhile Squire and White teamed up with Rabin to form a new band called Cinema, they eventually brought in Tony Kaye (though his contribion to 90125 was minimal and Rabin in fact played most of the keyboards on that album) and set out to record an album with Rabin and Squire sharing lead vocal duties, but Jon was so impressed with the demos Squire showed him that he wanted to be involved, so he eventually joined and at the request of their record company they went back to calling themselves Yes. So you're right, nobody was forced at gun point to go pop (Drama already hinted at it), it's the direction they wanted to go in. But Rabin gets all the blame just like Phil Collins does in regards to Genesis, though at least with Rabin it's a little more justified since Rabin had way more creative input in Yes than Collins did in Genesis. |
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| Author: | KeithMoonIsGod [ Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 250+ Greatest Rock Guitarists |
boo boo wrote: Rabin is a pretty solid player, but I don't think he will ever live down his reputation as the guy who turned Yes into a lame, watered down arena rock band. The albums Yes released between 90125 and Keys to Acsension are pretty much no man's land for me. There's some songs after the 90125 album that I don't mind, like "Shoot High Aim Low", "Lift Me Up", and "Endless Dream". But yeah, for the most part, Rabin's impact on Yes's music wasn't the best. But even as a huge Yes fan and the fact that Steve Howe is one of my favorite guitarists, I still like Rabin as a guitarist very much (And a singer too; God, what a lovely voice he has) I've always loved this: [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoN-1akFdq4[/youtube] Starts at 6:11 
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| Author: | Echoes [ Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 250+ Greatest Rock Guitarists |
I´ve been hearing to Prince and he is totally great, this performance is amazing (my favorite part starts at 5:30 with some Hendrix and Foo Fighters). [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYzvM1tpFY4[/youtube] |
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| Author: | Domino the Rattlehead [ Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 250+ Greatest Rock Guitarists |
Echoes wrote: I´ve been hearing to Prince and he is totally great, this performance is amazing (my favorite part starts at 5:30 with some Hendrix and Foo Fighters). [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYzvM1tpFY4[/youtube] Love me some Prince. |
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