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| Author: | Bruno [ Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Film Performances by Year (US/UK) |
Maybe this compromise: 1. Nicolas Cage - Leaving Las Vegas 2. Sean Penn - Dead Man Walking 3. Susan Sarandon - Dead Man Walking 4. Kevin Spacey - The Usual Suspects 5. Ian McKellen - Richard III 6. Emma Thompson - Sense and Sensibility 7. Meryl Streep - The Bridges of Madison Country 8. Morgan Freeman - Seven 9. Elizabeth Shue - Leaving Las Vegas 10. Sharon Stone - Casino 11. Anthony Hopkins - Nixon 12. Brad Pitt - 12 Monkeys 13. Robert De Niro - Casino 14. Mira Sorvino - Mighty Aphrodite 15. Julianne Moore - Safe 16. Al Pacino - Heat 17. Robert De Niro - Heat 18. Kate Winslet - Sense and Sensibility 19. Richard Dreyfuss - Mr. Holland’s Opus 20. Ed Harris - Apollo 13Mr |
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| Author: | Sherick [ Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Film Performances by Year (US/UK) |
Bruno wrote: I would keep De Niro and Pacino in Heat, because of their acting and the impact of being the first movie where both appear together in the same scene, something that did not happen in Godfather II. In addition, they are acclaimed performances by movie fans. It was one of the great moments in the American film of 1995, the meeting of two of the greatest actors of the same generation. I don't find any of this a convincing reason to consider them individually top 20 performances, especially considering what would come off. Sorvino's performance was very widely hailed, and received considerably more award recognition than Stone or Shue. I see nothing special in De Niro's performance(s) other than being another De Niro performance. |
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| Author: | Bruno [ Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Film Performances by Year (US/UK) |
Sherick wrote: Bruno wrote: I would keep De Niro and Pacino in Heat, because of their acting and the impact of being the first movie where both appear together in the same scene, something that did not happen in Godfather II. In addition, they are acclaimed performances by movie fans. It was one of the great moments in the American film of 1995, the meeting of two of the greatest actors of the same generation. I don't find any of this a convincing reason to consider them individually top 20 performances, especially considering what would come off. Sorvino's performance was very widely hailed, and received considerably more award recognition than Stone or Shue. I see nothing special in De Niro's performance(s) other than being another De Niro performance. Yeah, Sorvino was a great call by you and I can see her in top 10. But about Heat's performance, we're going to have to agree to disagree. It's true to me that there was a big impact at the time on the film and its performances, even with the absence of individual awards. In my opinion, is notorious that the film and the actors are acclaimed by many movie fans. |
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| Author: | Sherick [ Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Film Performances by Year (US/UK) |
I thought we agreed that the notoriety of a film shouldn't impact the placement of performances? They're both good, and so is RDN in Casino, but best of the year? They're mid tier Pacino/De Niro at best anyway. |
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| Author: | Bruno [ Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Film Performances by Year (US/UK) |
When I say impact, I mean about the performances by both in the same movie, two giants still in their prime dividing the screen for the first time. Also, the "coffee scene" is considered classic and one of the great moments of their careers. And it's not like I've been putting them in the top 10 of the year, I just think they deserve mention in our top 20. |
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| Author: | Sherick [ Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Film Performances by Year (US/UK) |
If the impact was them sharing the screen, then what does the quality of their performances matter? It wasn't two classic performances that made a classic movie, it was a movie that was highly notable because they were both in it even before it came out, albeit the movie was still good of course. Movie fans(?) might like them, and I think we all agree that subjectively they're strong performances, but I don't think that they fair well for this list's purpose. FWIW, I think both performances are better than De Niro's Casino, and are certainly more acclaimed. |
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| Author: | Tim [ Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Film Performances by Year (US/UK) |
How about replacing De Niro in Casino with Pacino in Heat on Sherick's list and moving on? |
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| Author: | Tim [ Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Film Performances by Year (US/UK) |
1994 1. Tom Hanks - Forrest Gump 2. Morgan Freeman - The Shawshank Redemption 3. Samuel L. Jackson - Pulp Fiction 4. Johnny Depp - Ed Wood 5. Jessica Lange - Blue Sky 6. Jodie Foster - Nell 7. Tim Robbins - The Shawshank Redemption 8. John Travolta - Pulp Fiction 9. Hugh Grant - Four Wedding and a Funeral 10. Mantin Landau - Ed Wood 11. Nigel Hawthorne - The Madness of King George 12. Gary Sinise - Forrest Gump 13. John Turturro - Quiz Show 14. Kate Winslet - Heavenly Creatures 15. Melanie Lynskey - Heavenly Creatures 16. Paul Scofield - Quiz Show 17. Dianne West - Bullets over Broadway 18. Paul Newman - Nobody's Foul 19. Helen Mirren - The Madness of King George 20. Jean Reno - Léon: The Professional |
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| Author: | Bruno [ Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Film Performances by Year (US/UK) |
Tim wrote: How about replacing De Niro in Casino with Pacino in Heat on Sherick's list and moving on? I don’t agree. I’d say both Heat and Casino performances are top 10-12 in their careers, not mid-tier. And we're talking about two top 7 actors. A balance with our three draft: 1. Nicolas Cage - Leaving Las Vegas 2. Sean Penn - Dead Man Walking 3. Susan Sarandon - Dead Man Walking 4. Kevin Spacey - The Usual Suspects 5. Ian McKellen - Richard III 6. Emma Thompson - Sense and Sensibility 7. Meryl Streep - The Bridges of Madison Country 8. Morgan Freeman - Seven 9. Mira Sorvino - Mighty Aphrodite 10. Elizabeth Shue - Leaving Las Vegas 11. Sharon Stone - Casino 12. Anthony Hopkins - Nixon 13. Brad Pitt - 12 Monkeys 14. Richard Dreyfuss - Mr. Holland's Opus 15. Robert De Niro - Casino 16. Joan Allen - Nixon 17. Al Pacino - Heat 18. Nicole Kidman - To Die For 19. Kate Winslet - Sense and Sensibility 20. Robert De Niro - Heat |
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| Author: | Bruno [ Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Film Performances by Year (US/UK) |
Tim wrote: 1994 . . . Great job, Tim. Good call about Reno. My only doubt is whether Travolta is low or not. |
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| Author: | Tim [ Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Film Performances by Year (US/UK) |
Maybe this for 1995. 1. Nicolas Cage - Leaving Las Vegas 2. Sean Penn - Dead Man Walking 3. Susan Sarandon - Dead Man Walking 4. Kevin Spacey - The Usual Suspects 5. Ian McKellen - Richard III 6. Emma Thompson - Sense and Sensibility 7. Meryl Streep - The Bridges of Madison Country 8. Morgan Freeman - Seven 9. Mira Sorvino - Mighty Aphrodite 10. Elizabeth Shue - Leaving Las Vegas 11. Sharon Stone - Casino 12. Anthony Hopkins - Nixon 13. Julianne Moore - Safe 14. Brad Pitt - 12 Monkeys 15. Richard Dreyfuss - Mr. Holland's Opus 16. Nicole Kidman - To Die For 17. Joan Allen - Nixon 18. Kate Winslet - Sense and Sensibility 19. Robert De Niro - Casino 20. Al Pacino - Heat |
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| Author: | Tim [ Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Film Performances by Year (US/UK) |
Bruno wrote: Tim wrote: 1994 . . . Great job, Tim. Good call about Reno. My only doubt is whether Travolta is low or not. I can see Travolta and Robbins over Foster. |
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| Author: | Bruno [ Thu Feb 21, 2019 8:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Film Performances by Year (US/UK) |
Agreed in 95’s list. Tim wrote: Bruno wrote: Tim wrote: 1994 . . . Great job, Tim. Good call about Reno. My only doubt is whether Travolta is low or not. I can see Travolta and Robbins over Forster. |
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| Author: | Bruno [ Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Film Performances by Year (US/UK) |
1994 1. Tom Hanks - Forrest Gump 2. Morgan Freeman - The Shawshank Redemption 3. Samuel L. Jackson - Pulp Fiction 4. Johnny Depp - Ed Wood 5. Jessica Lange - Blue Sky 6. John Travolta - Pulp Fiction 7. Tim Robbins - The Shawshank Redemption 8. Jodie Foster - Nell 9. Hugh Grant - Four Wedding and a Funeral 10. Mantin Landau - Ed Wood 11. Nigel Hawthorne - The Madness of King George 12. Gary Sinise - Forrest Gump 13. John Turturro - Quiz Show 14. Kate Winslet - Heavenly Creatures 15. Melanie Lynskey - Heavenly Creatures 16. Paul Scofield - Quiz Show 17. Dianne West - Bullets over Broadway 18. Paul Newman - Nobody's Foul 19. Helen Mirren - The Madness of King George 20. Jean Reno - Léon: The Professional |
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| Author: | Tim [ Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Film Performances by Year (US/UK) |
1993 Tom Hanks – Philadelphia Denzel Washington - Philadelphia Daniel Day-Lewis – In the Name of the Father Laurence Fishburne – What's Love Got to Do with It Anthony Hopkins – The Remains of the Day Bill Murray - Groundhog Day Liam Neeson – Schindler's List Ralph Fiennes – Schindler's List Ben Kingsley – Schindler's List Harrison Ford - The Fugitive Tommy Lee Jones – The Fugitive Leonardo DiCaprio – What's Eating Gilbert Grape John Malkovich – In the Line of Fire Pete Postlethwaite – In the Name of the Father Robin Williams - Mrs. Doubtfire Johnny Depp - Benny & Joon Tom Hanks - Sleepless in Seattle Kevin Kline - Dave Colm Meaney - The Snapper Sean Penn - Carlito's Way Jeff Bridges - Fearless Harvey Keitel - The Piano Holly Hunter – The Piano Angela Bassett – What's Love Got to Do with It Stockard Channing – Six Degrees of Separation Emma Thompson – The Remains of the Day Debra Winger – Shadowlands Anna Paquin – The Piano Holly Hunter – The Firm Michelle Pfeiffer - The Age of Innocence Winona Ryder – The Age of Innocence Emma Thompson – In the Name of the Father Anjelica Huston - Addams Family Values Diane Keaton - Manhattan Murder Mystery Meg Ryan - Sleepless in Seattle Penelope Ann Miller - Carlito's Way Rosie Perez - Fearless |
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