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Author:  Bruno [ Sun May 07, 2017 11:38 am ]
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1. James Stewart
2. John Wayne
3. Spencer Tracy
4. Denzel Washington
5. Orson Welles
6. Max von Sydow
7. Rudolph Valentino
8. Robin Williams
9. Totò
10. Jean-Louis Trintignant
11. Conrad Veidt
12. Christopher Walken
13. Jon Voight
14. Rod Steiger
15. Alberto Sordi
16. Donald Sutherland
17. Kevin Spacey
18. Jacques Tati
19. Erich von Stroheim
20. Innokenty Smoktunovsky
21. Will Smith
22. Gene Wilder
23. Ugo Tognazzi
24. Stellan Skarsgård
25. Gian Maria Volonte
26. Eli Wallach
27. Benicio Del Toro
28. Harry Dean Stanton
29. Paul Winfield
30. John Travolta
31. James Woods
32. Richard Widmark
33. Frank Sinatra
34. Forest Whitaker
35. Billy Bob Thornton
36. Anatoliy Solonitsyn
37. Raf Vallone
Author:  Tim [ Sun May 07, 2017 11:44 am ]
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Sydow should probably be ahead of Welles. Unique longevity, really strong and diverse body of work, highly acclaimed as both lead and supporting actor. I think Totò's reputation and influence within Italian cinema puts him ahead of Williams.
Author:  AyaMelie [ Sun May 07, 2017 9:10 pm ]
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1. James Stewart
2. John Wayne
3. Spencer Tracy
4. Max von Sydow
5. Denzel Washington
6. Orson Welles
7. Rudolph Valentino
8. Totò
9. Robin Williams
10. Rod Steiger
11. Alberto Sordi
12. Donald Sutherland
13. Kevin Spacey
14. Jacques Tati
15. Jean-Louis Trintignant
16. Erich von Stroheim
17. Innokenty Smoktunovsky
18. Conrad Veidt
19. Christopher Walken
20. Will Smith
21. Ugo Tognazzi
22. Jon Voight
23. Gene Wilder
24. Gian Maria Volonté
25. Stellan Skarsgård
26. Benicio Del Toro
27. Harry Dean Stanton
28. Eli Wallach
29. Paul Winfield
30. Frank Sinatra
31. John Travolta
32. James Woods
33. Richard Widmark
34. Forest Whitaker
35. Billy Bob Thornton
36. Raf Vallone
37. Anatoliy Solonitsyn

I vote for van Sydow to be ahead of Denzel as well (and I could even see him ahead of Tracy). As you said, he has very strong credentials and scores well in all aspects of the criteria. His body of work is simply unmatchable: seven decades of success in cinema. Inarguably one of the greatest European actors of all time .
Author:  Tim [ Mon May 08, 2017 2:48 am ]
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Against Denzel, Max probably takes body of work, loses in popularity and influence and they are about even in acclaim. Seems like close Denzel win. Hard to see Trintignant below Tati, only thing he clearly loses is influence, and body of work is big win for him.
Author:  Tim [ Mon May 08, 2017 4:14 am ]
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I think it's an improvement:

1. James Stewart
2. John Wayne
3. Spencer Tracy
4. Denzel Washington
5. Max von Sydow
6. Orson Welles
7. Rudolph Valentino
8. Totò
9. Robin Williams
10. Jean-Louis Trintignant
11. Rod Steiger
12. Alberto Sordi
13. Conrad Veidt
14. Christopher Walken
15. Donald Sutherland
16. Kevin Spacey
17. Jon Voight
18. Jacques Tati
19. Erich von Stroheim
20. Innokenty Smoktunovsky
21. Will Smith
22. Gene Wilder
23. Ugo Tognazzi
24. Stellan Skarsgård
25. Gian Maria Volonte
26. Eli Wallach
27. Benicio Del Toro
28. Harry Dean Stanton
29. Paul Winfield
30. John Travolta
31. James Woods
32. Richard Widmark
33. Frank Sinatra
34. Forest Whitaker
35. Billy Bob Thornton
36. Anatoliy Solonitsyn
37. Raf Vallone
Author:  Luuk [ Mon May 08, 2017 4:47 am ]
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1. James Stewart
2. John Wayne
3. Spencer Tracy
4. Max von Sydow
5. Denzel Washington
6. Orson Welles
7. Rudolph Valentino
8. Robin Williams
9. Totò
10. Jean-Louis Trintignant
11. Rod Steiger
12. Alberto Sordi
13. Conrad Veidt
14. Donald Sutherland
15. Christopher Walken
16. Kevin Spacey
17. Jon Voight
18. Jacques Tati
19. Erich von Stroheim
20. Innokenty Smoktunovsky
21. Gene Wilder
22. Gian Maria Volonté
23. Will Smith
24. Ugo Tognazzi
25. Eli Wallach
26. Stellan Skarsgård
27. Paul Winfield
28. Benicio del Toro
29. Harry Dean Stanton
30. John Travolta
31. James Woods
32. Richard Widmark
33. Frank Sinatra
34. Billy Bob Thornton
35. Forest Whitaker
36. Anatoliy Solonitsyn
37. Raf Vallone

I also prefer Von Sydow to be ahead of Washington. Yes, Denzel is after Poitier the most important Afro-American actor. He has a lot of acclaim, a decent body of work and popularity. But I think Von Sydow is in terms of non-English-speaking actors (though he has an impressive Hollywood career as well) in the same league as Mifune, Mastroianni, Gabin and Depardieu. He is the embodiment of thought-provoking Scandinavian cinema, largely thanks to his collaborations with Bergman and Troell. And how about Pelle the Conqueror? As I already mentioned, he, unlike Mifune and Mastroianni, has had an impressive Hollywood career as well: The Greatest Story Ever Told, Hawaii (not the most acclaimed film, but he received a Golden Globe nomination), The Exorcist, Three Days of the Condor, Conan the Barbarian, Dreamscape, Hannah and Her Sisters, Awakenings, Minority Report, Shutter Island, Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close, Star Wars: The Force Awakens... He wins in body of work, and maybe even wins acclaim. I'd also say that Von Sydow is quite influential as one of the most successful Scandinavian actors in Hollywood, definitely the most successful male actor (Greta Garbo and Ingrid Bergman of course still beat him).
Author:  Tim [ Mon May 08, 2017 5:35 am ]
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Bergman and Garbo are both probably top ten actresses in history but that's question for another list. I am not opposed to Max being ahead of Denzel and actually considered it myself.
Author:  Luuk [ Mon May 08, 2017 6:10 am ]
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We arrive at very big groups now. It's getting harder, but here's how I think about the first one.

1. Charles Chaplin
2. Marlon Brando
3. Robert De Niro
4. Humphrey Bogart
5. Daniel Day-Lewis
6. Gary Cooper
7. James Cagney
8. Michael Caine
9. Richard Burton
10. Sean Connery
11. Montgomery Clift
12. James Dean
13. Alain Delon
14. Jean-Paul Belmondo
15. Ronald Colman
16. Tom Cruise
17. Fred Astaire
18. Lon Chaney
19. Russell Crowe
20. Woody Allen
21. Jeff Bridges
22. Amitabh Bachchan
23. John Barrymore
24. George Clooney
25. Warren Beatty
26. Yul Brynner
27. Dirk Bogarde
28. Chow Yun-fat
29. Roscoe ‘Fatty’ Arbuckle
30. Lionel Barrymore
31. Kenneth Branagh
32. Richard Attenborough
33. Ernest Borgnine
34. Charles Boyer
35. Jim Carrey
36. Matt Damon
37. Javier Bardem
38. Jackie Chan
39. Daniel Auteuil
40. Tony Curtis
41. Walter Brennan
42. Gunnar Björnstrand
43. Christian Bale
44. Nikolay Cherkasov
45. Choi Min-sik
46. Joseph Cotten
47. Willem Dafoe
48. Jean-Claude Brialy
49. Abbott and Costello
50. Wallace Beery
51. Steve Buscemi
52. Nicolas Cage
53. Tom Courtenay
54. Roberto Benigni
55. Bing Crosby
56. Dana Andrews
57. James Caan
58. Michael Chekhov
59. Donald Crisp
60. Lee J. Cobb
61. Martin Balsam
62. Alan Arkin
63. Don Cheadle
64. Vincent Cassel
65. John Cleese
66. Minoru Chiaki
67. Kevin Costner
68. John Cazale
69. Horst Buchholz
70. Ward Bond
71. George Arliss
72. Charles Bickford
73. Ned Beatty
74. Ossie Davis
75. Vittorio De Sica
76. Rossano Brazzi

Yes, I think it's time to place Chaplin ahead of Brando. The more I think about it, the more I think that he can be our #1.
Author:  Tim [ Mon May 08, 2017 6:30 am ]
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I will post my top 25 for sake of comparasion:

1. Marlon Brando
2. Charles Chaplin
3. Robert De Niro
4. Humphrey Bogart
5. Daniel Day-Lewis
6. Gary Cooper
7. James Cagney
8. Michael Caine
9. Sean Connery
10. Richard Burton
11. Jean-Paul Belmondo
12. Fred Astaire
13. Montgomery Clift
14. James Dean
15. Alain Delon
16. Woody Allen
17. Jeff Bridges
18. Amitabh Bachchan
19. John Barrymore 
20. Ronald Colman
21. Tom Cruise
22. Lon Chaney
23. Warren Beatty
24. Yul Brynner
25. Dirk Bogarde

I still think it's right to have Brando at #1. Cinema has been sound medium for most of its history and Chaplin is primarily associated with silent acting.
Author:  AyaMelie [ Mon May 08, 2017 7:53 am ]
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1. Charles Chaplin
2. Marlon Brando
3. Robert De Niro
4. Humphrey Bogart
5. Daniel Day-Lewis
6. Richard Burton
7. Jean-Paul Belmondo
8. Gary Cooper
9. James Cagney
10. Michael Caine
11. Sean Connery
12. Montgomery Clift
13. James Dean
14. Alain Delon
15. Fred Astaire
16. Woody Allen
17. Ronald Colman
18. Jeff Bridges
19. Amitabh Bachchan
20. John Barrymore
21. Warren Beatty
22. Yul Brynner
23. Dirk Bogarde
24. Tom Cruise
25. Roscoe 'Fatty' Arbuckle
26. Lionel Barrymore
27. Kenneth Branagh
28. Lon Chaney
29. Russell Crowe
30. George Clooney
31. Chow Yun-Fat
32. Jim Carrey
33. Matt Damon
34. Jackie Chan
35. Tony Curtis
36. Nikolay Cherkasov
37. Choi Min-Sik
38. Richard Attenborough
39. Joseph Cotten
40. Willem Dafoe
41. Nicolas Cage
42. Ernest Borgnine
43. Charles Boyer
44. Javier Bardem
45. Daniel Auteil
46. Tom Courtney
47. Bing Crosby
48. Michael Chekhov
49. Walter Brennan
50. Gunnar Björnstrand
51. Donald Crisp
52. Christian Bale
53. Jean-Claude Brialy
54. Lee J. Cobb
55. Don Cheadle
56. Vincent Cassel
57. Abbott and Costello
58. Wallace Beery
59. Steve Buscemi
60. Roberto Benigni
61. Dana Andrews
62. James Caan
63. Martin Balsam
64. John Cleese
65. Alan Arkin
66. Horst Buchholz
67. Minoru Chiaki
68. Kevin Costner
69. John Cazale
70. Ward Bond
71. George Arliss
72. Charles Bickford
73. Ned Beatty
74. Ossie Davis
75. Vittorio De Sica
76. Rossano Brazzi

I think Burton and Belmondo are underrated in your lists. Burton's acclaim at his peak was unrivaled, and I don't think that Belmondo should be below Delon: almost all French movie buffs agree that the triumvirate of French cinema actors is Gabin-Dépardieu-Belmondo.
Author:  Bruno [ Mon May 08, 2017 9:29 am ]
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1. Marlon Brando
2. Charles Chaplin
3. Robert De Niro
4. Humphrey Bogart
5. Daniel Day-Lewis
6. Gary Cooper
7. James Cagney
8. Michael Caine
9. Richard Burton
10. Sean Connery
11. Montgomery Clift
12. James Dean
13. Jean-Paul Belmondo
14. Alain Delon
15. Ronald Colman
16. Tom Cruise
17. Fred Astaire
18. Lon Chaney
19. Russell Crowe
20. Woody Allen
21. Jeff Bridges
22. Amitabh Bachchan
23. John Barrymore
24. George Clooney
25. Warren Beatty
26. Yul Brynner
27. Dirk Bogarde
28. Chow Yun-fat
29. Jim Carrey
30. Roscoe ‘Fatty’ Arbuckle
31. Lionel Barrymore
32. Kenneth Branagh
33. Matt Damon
34. Richard Attenborough
35. Ernest Borgnine
36. Charles Boyer
37. Javier Bardem
38. Jackie Chan
39. Daniel Auteuil
40. Tony Curtis
41. Walter Brennan
42. Gunnar Björnstrand
43. Christian Bale
44. Nikolay Cherkasov
45. Choi Min-sik
46. Joseph Cotten
47. Willem Dafoe
48. Nicolas Cage
49. Jean-Claude Brialy
50. Abbott and Costello
51. Wallace Beery
52. Steve Buscemi
53. Roberto Benigni
54. Tom Courtenay
55. Bing Crosby
56. Dana Andrews
57. James Caan
58. Michael Chekhov
59. Donald Crisp
60. Lee J. Cobb
61. Martin Balsam
62. Alan Arkin
63. Don Cheadle
64. Vincent Cassel
65. John Cleese
66. Minoru Chiaki
67. Kevin Costner
68. John Cazale
69. Horst Buchholz
70. Ward Bond
71. George Arliss
72. Charles Bickford
73. Ned Beatty
74. Ossie Davis
75. Vittorio De Sica
76. Rossano Brazzi
Author:  Sherick [ Mon May 08, 2017 1:04 pm ]
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I too believe Brando should be at the top. It comes down to intangibles at this point, and Brando is recognized far more with the art of film acting than Chaplin, who is chiefly remembered for a particular comedic character thrown into various scenarios. Chaplin certainly revolutionized comedic film acting (though it is largely limited to the silent era), whereas Brando revolutionized film acting. If someone is ever told to imitate or parody a great actor, they are more likely than not going to do Brando as much as an OTT Shakespearean.
Author:  Tim [ Mon May 08, 2017 2:20 pm ]
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I suggest this as middle ground:

1. Marlon Brando
2. Charles Chaplin
3. Robert De Niro
4. Humphrey Bogart
5. Daniel Day-Lewis
6. Gary Cooper
7. James Cagney
8. Michael Caine
9. Richard Burton
10. Jean-Paul Belmondo
11. Sean Connery
12. Montgomery Clift
13. James Dean
14. Alain Delon
15. Fred Astaire
16. Ronald Colman
17. Tom Cruise
18. Woody Allen
19. Jeff Bridges
20. Amitabh Bachchan
21. John Barrymore
22. Lon Chaney
23. Russell Crowe
24. George Clooney
25. Warren Beatty
26. Yul Brynner
27. Dirk Bogarde
28. Chow Yun-fat
29. Roscoe ‘Fatty’ Arbuckle
30. Lionel Barrymore
31. Kenneth Branagh
32. Richard Attenborough
33. Jim Carrey
34. Ernest Borgnine
35. Matt Damon
36. Charles Boyer
37. Javier Bardem
38. Jackie Chan
39. Daniel Auteuil
40. Tony Curtis
41. Walter Brennan
42. Gunnar Björnstrand
43. Christian Bale
44. Nikolay Cherkasov
45. Choi Min-sik
46. Joseph Cotten
47. Willem Dafoe
48. Nicolas Cage
49. Jean-Claude Brialy
50. Abbott and Costello
51. Wallace Beery
52. Tom Courtenay
53. Bing Crosby
54. Steve Buscemi
55. Roberto Benigni
56. Dana Andrews
57. Michael Chekhov
58. Donald Crisp
59. Lee J. Cobb
60. James Caan
61. Martin Balsam
62. Alan Arkin
63. Don Cheadle
64. Vincent Cassel
65. John Cleese
66. Horst Buchholz
67. Minoru Chiaki
68. Kevin Costner
69. John Cazale
70. Ward Bond
71. George Arliss
72. Charles Bickford
73. Ned Beatty
74. Ossie Davis
75. Vittorio De Sica
76. Rossano Brazzi
Author:  Bruno [ Mon May 08, 2017 2:38 pm ]
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Not bad.
Author:  Luuk [ Mon May 08, 2017 4:08 pm ]
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Fine by me too.
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