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| Author: | Tim [ Mon May 29, 2017 12:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Movie Actors (Revision) |
Thank you for suggestions, AyaMelie. What do you think about new order on main list? |
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| Author: | Tim [ Mon May 29, 2017 11:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Movie Actors (Revision) |
I remember Bruno suggesting that Three Stooges belong on main list and I am not opposed to it. I'd put them somewhere between Abbott and Costello and Bing Crosby. |
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| Author: | Tim [ Tue May 30, 2017 5:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Movie Actors (Revision) |
Updated list on first page. Second round of honorable mentions: Alfred Abel Dev Anand Tadanobu Asano Gene Autry Charles Aznavour Kevin Bacon Jean-Louis Barrault Richard Barthelmess Jack Benny Edgar Bergen Henry Bergman Milton Berle Monte Blue Claude Brasseur Josh Brolin Mel Brooks George Burns Bruce Campbell Harry Carey Jr. David Carradine John Cassavetes Lon Chaney Jr. Cheech & Chong Coluche Buster Crabbe Daniel Craig Robert Cummings John Cusack Joe Dallesandro Sammy Davis Jr. Matt Dillon Divine Brad Dourif Buddy Ebsen Sam Elliot Peter Falk Charles Farrell Barry Fitzgerald Peter Fonda Jamie Foxx Andy García John Garfield Götz George Jackie Gleason Joseph Gordon-Lewitt Stewart Granger Christopher Guest Kamal Haasan Abdel Halim Hafez William Haines Robert Harron Laurence Harvey George "Gabby" Hayes John Houseman Tab Hunter John Huston Adel Imam Burl Ives Hugh Jackman Georg John Ben Johnson Mathieu Kassovitz Howard Keel George Kennedy Rajesh Khanna Val Kilmer Hardy Krüger Uttam Kumar Christopher Lambert Evgeny Leonov Tony Ka Fai Leung Roddy McDowall Mads Mikkelsen Sal Mineo Gaston Modot Alfred Molina Ricardo Montalbán Roger Moore Ivan Mozzhukhin Mike Myers Reggie Nalder Bill Nighy Ramon Novarro George O'Brien Daniel Olbrychski Guy Pearce George Peppard Ron Perlman Jacques Perrin Slim Pickens Dick Powell Elvis Presley Robert Preston Dennis Quaid Serge Raggiani George Raft Raimi Ronald Reagan Keanu Reeves John C. Reilly Pierre Richard Charles "Buddy" Rogers Will Rogers Cesar Romero Hrithik Roshan Sabu Hiroyuki Sanada Adam Sandler Andy Serkis Farid Shawqi Gary Sinise Red Skelton Patrick Stewart Sol Kyung-gu Song Kang-ho Victor Sjöström Ben Stiller Mack Swain Ken Takakura Topol Ernest Torrence Massimo Troisi Ulrich Tukur H. B. Warner Ken Watanabe Hugo Weaving Clifton Webb Johnny Weissmuller James Whitmore Jeffrey Wright Oleg Yankovsky Ismail Yassine Ahmed Zaki |
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| Author: | Tim [ Tue May 30, 2017 9:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Movie Actors (Revision) |
First cluster: Alfred Abel Dev Anand Tadanobu Asano Gene Autry Charles Aznavour Kevin Bacon Jean-Louis Barrault Richard Barthelmess Jack Benny Edgar Bergen Henry Bergman Milton Berle Monte Blue Claude Brasseur Josh Brolin Mel Brooks George Burns |
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| Author: | Tim [ Wed May 31, 2017 2:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Movie Actors (Revision) |
I'd say it goes like this: Listmakers Dev Anand Potential listmakers / Honorable mentions Alfred Abel Tadanobu Asano Gene Autry Kevin Bacon Jean-Louis Barrault Richard Barthelmess Claude Brasseur Josh Brolin Mel Brooks Potential honorable mentions Jack Benny Edgar Bergen Henry Bergman Monte Blue George Burns Drop outs Charles Aznavour Milton Berle Feel free to call me out. |
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| Author: | Luuk [ Wed May 31, 2017 1:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Movie Actors (Revision) |
I'm having doubts over some of your possible list makers / honorable mentions. Gene Autry was probably, of all his professions, the least acclaimed for his film work (his credits in singing, radio and TV are much more impressive), and his filmography is weak. Josh Brolin has a pretty good filmography, but he loses against other popular character actors of the last 20 years that are already on the list or in the honorable mentions section, in my opinion. Mel Brooks is already on the directors list, and maybe it's because I'm from Europe, but I really don't see the reasons for the huge appreciation he gets in the United States. Sure, he's a beloved comedian, and he is among the EGOT winners, but as a director, his reputation rests on just three films: The Producers, Blazing Saddles and Young Frankenstein. As a film actor, his filmography is possibly even worse. He gets the AFI Life Achievement Award and all those other Life Achievement Awards, but some huge names haven't received that yet. That's pretty incomprehensible to me. But as I said, maybe that's because I'm from Europe. |
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| Author: | Tim [ Wed May 31, 2017 2:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Movie Actors (Revision) |
Re: Brooks. I'd say Spaceballs, Silent Movie and History of the World have pretty good initial popularity and some lasting one. It's purely anecdoctical evidence, but for example my father is big fan of him so it's not like his appeal is limited to US. I wouldn't argue for other two. |
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| Author: | AyaMelie [ Wed May 31, 2017 2:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Movie Actors (Revision) |
Tiny Tim wrote: Switched them. I'm afraid a switch won't be sufficient. I have finally found some time to look at the list, and I have to address a couple of things: About Arnold Schwarzenegger/Bruce Lee: You'd be hard pressed to find two more popular actors. Both ARE a top 5 in popularity and I think only Chaplin is clearly more popular worldwide. Their influence on the worlds of sports, fitness and health is remarkable. Lee's singlehandedly changed modern martial arts and influenced everyone that came after him and the same can be said about Arnie vis-à-vis the world of bodybuilding. Yes, I know this is not related to acting, but it HAS to count for something. Both are immense popular icons as well (atleast top 10) in the US and worldwide. Schwarzenegger, and in addition to sports-related influence, is THE example of rags-to-riches, American dream for foreigners all over the world. The way he succeeded as an athlete, actor, governor and entrepreneur is still a model for immigrants. The only other example even remotely as popular is Madonna's. I'd even dare to say that both Lee and Schwarzenegger score more in popularity and cultural recognition than John Wayne (who currently sits at number 20). These two's popularity is INTERNATIONAL while Wayne is more of an "American" icon, and it is not like any of the three has some tremendous acclaim. So, the only criterion where Wayne is clearly the winner is body of work, and that stems from his collaboration with John Ford...but is it enough to warrant a placement 130 places ahead of Lee and more than 200 places ahead of Arnold? I think either Wayne loses a few ranks or Lee and Schwarzenegger go up, and I think I prefer the latter. |
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| Author: | Tim [ Wed May 31, 2017 4:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Movie Actors (Revision) |
I would say, unlike Wayne, cultural impact of these two is not very acting related therefore such a big gap is generally justifable. Like we definitely need to overlook Arnie's political and bodybuilding careers and Lee's reputation as martial artist for sake of our list. |
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| Author: | Tim [ Wed May 31, 2017 4:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Movie Actors (Revision) |
Next cluster: Bruce Campbell Harry Carey Jr. David Carradine John Cassavetes Lon Chaney Jr. Cheech & Chong Coluche Buster Crabbe Daniel Craig Robert Cummings John Cusack Joe Dallesandro Sammy Davis Jr. Matt Dillon Divine Brad Dourif |
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| Author: | Tim [ Wed May 31, 2017 5:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Movie Actors (Revision) |
I'd say it's pretty lackluster cluster. Maybe a honorable mention for Dallesandro and Divine for being important queer icons and for Carey Jr. for prolific collaboration with John Ford. Cusack and Dillon are pretty popular guys with solid careers but there's something lacking about them. You are free to make a case for others. Listmakers Nope Potential listmakers / Honorable mentions Harry Carey Jr. Joe Dallesandro Divine Potential honorable mentions David Carradine John Cassavetes Lon Chaney Jr. John Cusack Matt Dillon Drop outs Bruce Campbell Cheech & Chong Coluche Buster Crabbe Daniel Craig Robert Cummings Sammy Davis Jr. Brad Dourif |
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| Author: | Sherick [ Wed May 31, 2017 5:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Movie Actors (Revision) |
Wayne also has three Oscar nominations and one win, and several other roles that are generally considered to be oversights for nominations. |
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| Author: | pauldrach [ Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Movie Actors (Revision) |
AyaMelie wrote: I'd even dare to say that both Lee and Schwarzenegger score more in popularity and cultural recognition than John Wayne (who currently sits at number 20). These two's popularity is INTERNATIONAL while Wayne is more of an "American" icon, and it is not like any of the three has some tremendous acclaim. So, the only criterion where Wayne is clearly the winner is body of work, and that stems from his collaboration with John Ford...but is it enough to warrant a placement 130 places ahead of Lee and more than 200 places ahead of Arnold? I think either Wayne loses a few ranks or Lee and Schwarzenegger go up, and I think I prefer the latter. Wayne is the Western icon. Does any other actor characterize a genre the way Wayne does? And that clearly goes for an international level; as American as the Western itself may be, the genre's influence transcends well into Europe. I, as a German, wouldn't consider Arnie a bigger cultural icon than John fuckin' Wayne. |
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| Author: | Tim [ Thu Jun 01, 2017 3:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Movie Actors (Revision) |
Buddy Ebsen Sam Elliot Peter Falk Charles Farrell Barry Fitzgerald Peter Fonda Jamie Foxx Andy García John Garfield Götz George Jackie Gleason Joseph Gordon-Lewitt Stewart Granger Christopher Guest Kamal Haasan Abdel Halim Hafez William Haines |
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| Author: | Zach [ Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Greatest Movie Actors (Revision) |
I love that y'all are doing this list, and I'm mostly in agreement with the order so far. But, one thing I'm wondering is how Ralph Fiennes is a greater actor than Liam Neeson (and more than 50 spots higher, for that matter). I don't see either one having any noteworthy influence, and then I'd imagine Liam's popularity and cultural significance outweigh any slight advantage Fiennes might have in acclaim. What were y'all thoughts on their positions? I'm not sure why I'm comparing these two in particular; I guess it's because they've shared the same bill a couple times. |
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