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 Post subject: Re: Top 5 or 10 Movies by the Greatest Directors
PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 4:09 pm 
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SW beats TGWLTT pretty handily in popularity, but does fall short in acclaim overall. I guess you're right, since Wolf Children is the most popular and GWLTT is the most acclaimed. If anything though, Wolf Children should be number one; the difference in popularity is greater than the difference in acclaim.


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 Post subject: Re: Top 5 or 10 Movies by the Greatest Directors
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SW beats TGWLTT pretty handily in popularity, but does fall short in acclaim overall. I guess you're right, since Wolf Children is the most popular and GWLTT is the most acclaimed. If anything though, Wolf Children should be number one; the difference in popularity is greater than the difference in acclaim.

TGWLTT has the biggest amount of ratings at IMDb, RYM and RT. Box office may not have been as good but it looks like it's caught up. I'm ok with Wolf Children at #1 though.


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 Post subject: Re: Top 5 or 10 Movies by the Greatest Directors
PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:26 pm 
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Seven new lists:

Spike Jonze
1. Being John Malkovich
2. Adaptation.
3. Her
4. Where the Wild Things Are
5. Praise You

I've decided against adding Jackass since Jonze didn't play the main part in creating the series.

Mohsen Makhmalbaf
1. A Moment of Innocence
2. Kandahar
3. Gabbeh
4. The Cyclist
5. Salaam Cinema
6. The Silence
7. Once upon a Time, Cinema
8. The Peddler
9. The Marriage of the Blessed
10. Time of Love

Atom Egoyan
1. The Sweet Hereafter
2. Exotica
3. Felicia's Journey
4. The Adjuster
5. Family Viewing
6. Calendar
7. Ararat
8. Chloe
9. Next of Kin
10. Adoration

Paul Schrader
1. American Gigolo
2. Mishima: A Life in Four Chapters
3. Blue Collar
4. Affliction
5. Hardcore
6. Light Sleeper
7. Cat People
8. Auto Focus
9. The Comfort of Strangers
10. Light of Day

Michael Snow
1. Wavelength
2. La région centrale
3. <-->
4. *Corpus Callosum
5. So Is This
6. Breakfast (Table Top Dolly)
7. Presents
8. 'Rameau's Nephew' by Diderot (Thanx to Dennis Young) by Wilma Schoen
9. One Second in Montreal
10. New York Eye and Ear Control

Sacha Guitry
1. Confessions of a Cheat
2. La poison
3. Pearls of the Crown
4. Faisons un rêve...
5. Royal Affairs in Versailles
6. Napoléon
7. La vie d'un honnête homme
8. Mon père avait raison
9. Désiré
10. Ceux de chez nous

W. S. Van Dyke
1. The Thin Man
2. San Francisco
3. Tarzan the Ape Man
4. White Shadows in the South Seas
5. Naughty Marietta [with Robert Z. Leonard]
6. Manhattan Melodrama
7. Marie Antoinette
8. After the Thin Man
9. Eskimo
10. Trader Horn


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 Post subject: Re: Top 5 or 10 Movies by the Greatest Directors
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Wolf Children has also not been around an entire year. With that, I guess it would be fine having GWLTT at #1, but as it is there's a good chance Wolf Children could overtake in the near future anyway.


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 Post subject: Re: Top 5 or 10 Movies by the Greatest Directors
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Brad Bird
1. The Iron Giant
2. Ratatoulie
3. The Incredibles
4. Mission Impossible - Ghost Protocol
5. Do The Bartman
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Kathryn Bigelow (1951-)
1. The Hurt Locker (2008)
2. Zero Dark Thirty (2012)
3. Near Dark (1987)
4. Strange Days (1995)
5. Point Break (1991)


How is Point Break at 5? It may have a weaker Tomatometer than Near Dark, but it's certainly more remembered than Near Dark and Strange Days. The Fast and the Furious ripped the plot from that movie, and it gets referenced all the time. Hot Fuzz, the Avengers, GTA IV. It definitely struck a chord with a lot of people.


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 Post subject: Re: Top 5 or 10 Movies by the Greatest Directors
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How is Point Break at 5? It may have a weaker Tomatometer than Near Dark, but it's certainly more remembered than Near Dark and Strange Days. The Fast and the Furious ripped the plot from that movie, and it gets referenced all the time. Hot Fuzz, the Avengers, GTA IV. It definitely struck a chord with a lot of people.

Let's see. I'd break it down as follows:

Initial popularity: PB > ND > SD
Lasting popularity: PB > SD > ND
Initial acclaim: ND > PB > SD
Lasting acclaim: all very close but probably ND > PB > SD
Influence: PB > ND > SD

Based on that I'd say PB > ND > SD.


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 Post subject: Re: Top 5 or 10 Movies by the Greatest Directors
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SL has more than twice as many ratings at the IMDb than Jaws. The IMDb's probably is as mainstream as an audience gets on an internet film rating site. On RYM the difference is much smaller but even there SL has almost 500 ratings more. RT though, which appears to have more film rating users than either the IMDb or RYM, has over twice as many ratings for Jaws, so all in all it's probably indeed about a tie.


Number of user ratings on Rotten Tomatoes should not be considered since they cannot possibly be accurate, for example The Return of the King have 34,654,305 votes and The Fellowship of the Ring have only 1,339,736.


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 Post subject: Re: Top 5 or 10 Movies by the Greatest Directors
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Oh, yeah, that seems unlikely. Good that I haven't really taken into them consideration so far (and now don't plan to do so).


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 Post subject: Re: Top 5 or 10 Movies by the Greatest Directors
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Probably most people rated The Return of the King as if they rated whole trilogy. And people doesn't rate Fellowship because it's only beginning of trilogy. /captain obvious.


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 Post subject: Re: Top 5 or 10 Movies by the Greatest Directors
PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 8:01 am 
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I don't think a lot of people do that. And I don't see why RT users would do that while IMDb and RYM users don't appear to do it at all.


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 Post subject: Re: Top 5 or 10 Movies by the Greatest Directors
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AgentAJD wrote:
Brad Bird
1. The Iron Giant
2. Ratatoulie
3. The Incredibles
4. Mission Impossible - Ghost Protocol
5. Do The Bartman

I'd swap #'s 1 & 3. Breakdown:

Initial popularity: TInc > R >>> TIG
Lasting popularity: TInc = R > TIG
Initial acclaim: all similar, I'd say TIG = TInc > R
Lasting acclaim: again all very similar, again I'd say TIG = TInc > R
Influence: I don't think any of them has that much, TIG and TInc probably beat R for being more influential on Bird's own career


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 Post subject: Re: Top 5 or 10 Movies by the Greatest Directors
PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 11:29 am 
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Also "American Hustle" should be added to Russell's list, probably right above "Three Kings" at #3.


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 Post subject: Re: Top 5 or 10 Movies by the Greatest Directors
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Tobe Hooper
1. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
2. Poltergeist [with Steven Spielberg]
3. Salem’s Lot
4. Lifeforce
5. Eaten Alive
6. The Funhouse
7. Invaders From Mars
8. Dance of the Dead [episode of Masters of Horror]
9. Toolbox Murders
10. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2


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 Post subject: Re: Top 5 or 10 Movies by the Greatest Directors
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AgentAJD wrote:
Tobe Hooper
1. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
2. Poltergeist [with Steven Spielberg]
3. Salem’s Lot
4. Lifeforce
5. Eaten Alive
6. The Funhouse
7. Invaders From Mars
8. Dance of the Dead [episode of Masters of Horror]
9. Toolbox Murders
10. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2

TTCM2 is too low. It's among his most popular films and its acclaim is not poorer than that of many of his others. I'd probably have it just below "Invaders from Mars".

"Eaten Alive" is too high. It was a critical and commercial disaster after the surprise success of TTCSM. I see it below "Toolbox Murders".

Finally I'm not sure whether "Dance of the Dead" really warrants a place on here. It's not top ten in terms of popularity and its acclaim isn't particularly good either. I'd probably remove it and add "The Mangler" at #10 instead.


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 Post subject: Re: Top 5 or 10 Movies by the Greatest Directors
PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:29 am 
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I just sent the following lists to lew: Bird, Egoyan, Emmerich, Green, Guitry, Hooper, Jonze, Makhmalbaf, Schrader, Sheridan, Snow, Troell, Van Dyke, Verbinski, Widerberg, plus the Bigelow and Russell updates.


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