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While I haven't seen the new Star Wars movie, even if hell freezes over and it actually exceeds my extremely low expectations, I still know you're dead fucking wrong if you think it's the best Star Wars movie

If you don't think Empire was competently made than I honestly don't know what to say to that.

Also I never said Besson would be a good choice for Star Wars so I don't know why you mentioned him but seriously how in the fuck can anyone hate The Fifth Element?

I'm already disappointed in how derivative it is today, and I enjoyed the film, how will I feel in a few years when competent Star Wars films are the norm rather than the exception?

Dreww, I hate to say it, but I'm doing it for your own well-being:

You're starting to become the new Jake Cole

As an addendum I want to say that it would be nice if the people who were on the fence about this didn't go, and went to see The Good Dinosaur instead. You'll see a perfect movie rather than just a good one, and the theater won't be full of annoying people. And you'll be helping a perfect film not be a flop, rather than just contributing to the world record of a film that doesn't deserve it.

I've heard The Good Dinosaur is one of Pixar's worst films. A prefect film, really? I haven't seen it yet, but I've heard very little praise for this one.

Barely related, but I would rather chew on razors than watch The Good Dinosaur, or any upcoming Pixar film for that matter.

Armond is entertaining and expands on his reasoning for his crazy opinions though. One of our most valuable critics.

Dreww wrote:

Armond is entertaining and expands on his reasoning for his crazy opinions though. One of our most valuable critics.

Are you a fan of Confused Matthew yet?

Why the fuck can Finn fight with a lightsaber? Why the fuck would he last more than ONE FUCKING SECOND against Kylo Ren? I don't care how wounded Kylo Ren was. That said, why does Rey do so well with a lightsaber with zero fucking training? I mean, that's just shitty storytelling, full stop. The original trilogy was SO MUCH smarter than this. I mean, in Empire, do you realize they had Darth Vader fight Luke with one fucking hand at first in their epic confrontation? It's only after he realizes Luke is much better trained than he thought that he switches to two hands. That's smart storytelling.

More importantly, they did THE NUMBER ONE THING that I was afraid they were going to do. It's just too obvious. And cheap. It's cheap drama. And I saw it coming a fucking mile away, so it didn't even mean much to me. It just made me think, "This isn't my Star Wars. This is not what I want in a Star Wars movie." After that, I was just waiting for it to be over.

And finally... They killed Han Solo. That's "THE NUMBER ONE THING" I was talking about above. That is fucking bullshit. Fuck everyone who let that happen. Now we will never see Han Solo and Luke Skywalker reunite. Why the fuck would we ever want a sequel to Return of the Jedi without that? Why the fuck would we want a series of Han Solo prequel movies, which are supposed to be on the docket, when we know his tragic fucking end? Killed by his own son, for fuck's sake! Fuck the new Star Wars!

Author:	Dreww [ Sat Dec 19, 2015 2:45 pm ]
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boo wrote: While I haven't seen the new Star Wars movie, even if hell freezes over and it actually exceeds my extremely low expectations, I still know you're dead fucking wrong if you think it's the best Star Wars movie Well it's good to know you have an open mind. boo wrote: If you don't think Empire was competently made than I honestly don't know what to say to that. Not the first competently made Star Wars film. The first canonical Star Wars film I consider to have an acceptable level of competence for an extravaganza of this size and reputation. Empire is mostly competently made, but it has its fair share of clunky hiccups. Much better than Star Wars, which is pretty much all clunk. Put it this way: this is the first Star Wars film that comes up to being as stylistically perfected as even mid-level Spielberg. boo wrote: Also I never said Besson would be a good choice for Star Wars so I don't know why you mentioned him but seriously how in the fuck can anyone hate The Fifth Element? That was me thinking about other people who make big budget space movies but who also have a directorial signature; didn't say you said it. I don't hate The Fifth Element but that style would have been inappropriate as fuck for Star Wars. Led wrote: I'm already disappointed in how derivative it is today, and I enjoyed the film, how will I feel in a few years when competent Star Wars films are the norm rather than the exception? This is what I'm thinking. Anyone being like "holy shit five stars!" about this film today is justified for their excitement, but the extent of it just has to do with hype and investment in a film property. But you can't tell people that, they just have to figure it out for themselves. When the new Star Wars crew deliver an actual masterpiece in comparison is probably when they will realize they're too invested about this one in comparison. Or whenever the next time they watch a brilliant movie is. I watched Looper a day before I saw Star Wars with my brother, and he LOVES Star Wars, and he said watching Looper made The Force Awakens seem just okay in comparison. Vil wrote: Dreww, I hate to say it, but I'm doing it for your own well-being: You're starting to become the new Jake Cole Well good luck for me this doesn't seem to mean anything. Idk. I don't see why I should pretend to like a movie more than I do. Sometimes when I write a long review I know people won't like, I reread it the next day and think, "Eh I was going too much for the opera there." But I reread my review this morning and I think other than a little hyperbole in the opening and closing paragraphs, it's a realistic and balanced review which will hold up 5 years from now when everyone's hype balloon for it has flattened. ------ As an addendum I want to say that it would be nice if the people who were on the fence about this didn't go, and went to see The Good Dinosaur instead. You'll see a perfect movie rather than just a good one, and the theater won't be full of annoying people. And you'll be helping a perfect film not be a flop, rather than just contributing to the world record of a film that doesn't deserve it.

Author:	wantabodylikeme [ Sat Dec 19, 2015 3:02 pm ]
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Yeah I don't think a review has to be so cut and dry Vil, and one of the most overlooked things when I see people write reviews is the insightful discourse one can have with themselves, which I feel dreww does exceptionally well. Far too many people place too much value on whether they just like or dislike something and end on that so we get an abundance of "good cinematography" or "great acting" kinda reviews which don't enlighten us in the slightest bit. I sense no indecision in drew's review, and he's elaborated in depth about what works and what doesn't and only until he's established those, he arrives at his final evaluation. And you can sense this sentence by sentence as he and other reviewers who review that way construct and surprise themselves while they write. That being said, Jake Cole has a small penis. Also critforums is great and pretentious is the most underrated adjective in the history of thought.

Author:	pink [ Sat Dec 19, 2015 5:16 pm ]
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Dreww wrote: As an addendum I want to say that it would be nice if the people who were on the fence about this didn't go, and went to see The Good Dinosaur instead. You'll see a perfect movie rather than just a good one, and the theater won't be full of annoying people. And you'll be helping a perfect film not be a flop, rather than just contributing to the world record of a film that doesn't deserve it. I've heard The Good Dinosaur is one of Pixar's worst films. A prefect film, really? I haven't seen it yet, but I've heard very little praise for this one. The fact that I wasn't let down by the Force Awakens, despite the immense hype, says a lot about its quality. It's not the best film ever made, but I really enjoyed it. Looper was also a really good film. I'm glad that Johnson is directing the next Star Wars.

Author:	boo boo [ Sat Dec 19, 2015 5:25 pm ]
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pink wrote: I've heard The Good Dinosaur is one of Pixar's worst films. A prefect film, really? I haven't seen it yet, but I've heard very little praise for this one. Really? Is 77% on RottenTomatoes bad now? Bad by Pixar standards maybe, but c'mon, we're not talking Cars 2 reception here.

Author:	pink [ Sat Dec 19, 2015 5:33 pm ]
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Pixar sets the bar really high. I didn't say it was bad, I'm just surprised to hear Drew call it perfect based on the reception.

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Author:	Dreww [ Sat Dec 19, 2015 5:38 pm ]
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I think people saying The Good Dinosaur is one of Pixar's worst films are people who don't have a good memory for the Pixar filmography. What I wonder is: the people saying The Good Dinosaur is one of Pixar's worst films... how long has it been since they've (1) seen any Pixar film other than Inside Out? (2) seen any of the second golden age of Pixar films from Ratatouille to Toy Story 3? (3) seen any of the first golden age of Pixar films from Toy Story to Finding Nemo? In the first golden age of Pixar films, there is a blurry continuum between where the sophisticated aspects of the films which are intended for adults end and the childish elements begin. In other words, subtext is subtext, and there are a few jokes that are just for adults. In the second golden age of Pixar films, these different planes are more defined and have a kind of staggered relationship with each other. The things that were subtextual in the earlier films become more just plain textual and coincide off and on. With Inside Out--which is a great film, I'm not denying--it's the first time where you have a completely sustained adult plane and a completely sustained childish plane all the way through. This gives a good feeling to a 20 year old who has a good memory of Wall-E and Toy Story 3, but not a very clear memory of Finding Nemo. This I think is why people are saying this film is a "return to form" for Pixar, because it's similar to the memories one might have of the second golden age films, when really it's just a uniquely new kind of excellence for Pixar. The Good Dinosaur is the actual "return to form" for Pixar, because it's a return to what I describe as the style of the first golden age: the sophisticated subtext is actual subtext, to the point that even many adults may not get it the first time (and probably won't, because they are now used to having the sophisticated aspects spelled out to them like it was in Inside Out and in their memory of Wall-E.) As someone who still thinks Finding Nemo is the best Pixar film, The Good Dinosaur is a return to the kind of Pixar films I most want to see. It's not that expectations for Pixar are too high. It's that most people's expectations for Pixar films are the right level of high, but the wrong shape of what high is, imo. If that makes sense.

Author:	Dreww [ Sat Dec 19, 2015 5:45 pm ]
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[That's actually directly related, it's just a worthless post.]

Author:	boo boo [ Sat Dec 19, 2015 5:50 pm ]
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Mitch NZ wrote: Barely related, but I would rather chew on razors than watch The Good Dinosaur, or any upcoming Pixar film for that matter. Are you Armond White now?

Author:	Dreww [ Sat Dec 19, 2015 6:36 pm ]
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Armond is entertaining and expands on his reasoning for his crazy opinions though. One of our most valuable critics.

Author:	wantabodylikeme [ Sat Dec 19, 2015 6:39 pm ]
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One of the best, helps to challenge your tastes. Booboo should aspire

Author:	boo boo [ Sat Dec 19, 2015 6:45 pm ]
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Dreww wrote: Armond is entertaining and expands on his reasoning for his crazy opinions though. One of our most valuable critics. Are you a fan of Confused Matthew yet?

Author:	ClashWho [ Sat Dec 19, 2015 6:50 pm ]
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Star Wars: The Force Awakens - 7/10 First the good. The new cast is excellent across the board. I thought Adam Driver and Daisy Ridley were both perfect. John Boyega and Oscar Isaac both fit as well. I liked the moments of humor, which were very J.J. Abrams (that reaction of a pair of stormtroopers to a certain moment was laugh-out-loud funny). I also appreciated the various dissolves that were right out of the original trilogy playbook. And the retro look of a lot of it is great. The character design is phenomenal across the board, as well. Captain Phasma (speaking of which, I'm referencing with IMDB as I type this and I'm just now discovering she's played by the same actress who plays Brienne in Game of Thrones, holy shit) and Kylo Ren, in particular, but everybody, really. I totally believe Daisy Ridley as a Star Wars protagonist, just from her look. She looks the part, which is half the battle, but she has to play it, too. And she nails it. As does Adam Driver. That said, I'm disappointed at what a rehash of A New Hope it is. More importantly, they did THE NUMBER ONE THING that I was afraid they were going to do. It's just too obvious. And cheap. It's cheap drama. And I saw it coming a fucking mile away, so it didn't even mean much to me. It just made me think, "This isn't my Star Wars. This is not what I want in a Star Wars movie." After that, I was just waiting for it to be over. Two really minor quibbles: I like BB-8 a lot, but that pan-around camera move on his introduction was clunky. When you become aware of the camera, that's a bad thing. Even worse was the focusing in and out from Oscar Isaac to Max Von Sydow and back and forth again. Jesus, just keep them both in focus so I'm not thinking about a fucking camera! I'm not supposed to be thinking about a fucking camera! Now for the spoiler shit: Why the fuck can Finn fight with a lightsaber? Why the fuck would he last more than ONE FUCKING SECOND against Kylo Ren? I don't care how wounded Kylo Ren was. That said, why does Rey do so well with a lightsaber with zero fucking training? I mean, that's just shitty storytelling, full stop. The original trilogy was SO MUCH smarter than this. I mean, in Empire, do you realize they had Darth Vader fight Luke with one fucking hand at first in their epic confrontation? It's only after he realizes Luke is much better trained than he thought that he switches to two hands. That's smart storytelling. And finally... They killed Han Solo. That's "THE NUMBER ONE THING" I was talking about above. That is fucking bullshit. Fuck everyone who let that happen. Now we will never see Han Solo and Luke Skywalker reunite. Why the fuck would we ever want a sequel to Return of the Jedi without that? Why the fuck would we want a series of Han Solo prequel movies, which are supposed to be on the docket, when we know his tragic fucking end? Killed by his own son, for fuck's sake! Fuck the new Star Wars! That said, I'm onboard for the next one. Godammit.

Author:	Dreww [ Sat Dec 19, 2015 6:52 pm ]
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boo boo wrote: Dreww wrote: Armond is entertaining and expands on his reasoning for his crazy opinions though. One of our most valuable critics. Are you a fan of Confused Matthew yet? Confused Matthew's reasoning for his crazy opinions is worthless because his values are based on rewatching predictable films all of which you could have rented at Blockbuster. And then he doesn't even understand those. Armond is a valuable resource because he watches everything, has an opinion on everything. The reason people hate Armond is because he has highly individualistic values of what is good and bad filmmaking which apply to nobody other than him. Once you accept that, he's a valuable critic. You will learn more about cinema from an Armond review that makes no sense and approaches being objectively wrong than you will from Confused Matthew giving his most articulate expression of his most reasonable opinion.

Author:	boo boo [ Sat Dec 19, 2015 6:55 pm ]
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The guy praised Jack and Jill, he's a troll dude.

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Author:	Dreww [ Sat Dec 19, 2015 7:00 pm ]
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Clash wrote: Why the fuck can Finn fight with a lightsaber? Why the fuck would he last more than ONE FUCKING SECOND against Kylo Ren? I don't care how wounded Kylo Ren was. That said, why does Rey do so well with a lightsaber with zero fucking training? I mean, that's just shitty storytelling, full stop. The original trilogy was SO MUCH smarter than this. I mean, in Empire, do you realize they had Darth Vader fight Luke with one fucking hand at first in their epic confrontation? It's only after he realizes Luke is much better trained than he thought that he switches to two hands. That's smart storytelling. Good point. This is the other major storytelling flaw compared to the old ones in addition to the fact that there was no Death Star/I Am Your Father moment. Clash wrote: More importantly, they did THE NUMBER ONE THING that I was afraid they were going to do. It's just too obvious. And cheap. It's cheap drama. And I saw it coming a fucking mile away, so it didn't even mean much to me. It just made me think, "This isn't my Star Wars. This is not what I want in a Star Wars movie." After that, I was just waiting for it to be over. And finally... They killed Han Solo. That's "THE NUMBER ONE THING" I was talking about above. That is fucking bullshit. Fuck everyone who let that happen. Now we will never see Han Solo and Luke Skywalker reunite. Why the fuck would we ever want a sequel to Return of the Jedi without that? Why the fuck would we want a series of Han Solo prequel movies, which are supposed to be on the docket, when we know his tragic fucking end? Killed by his own son, for fuck's sake! Fuck the new Star Wars! Harrison Ford walks into a room full of screenwriters. "I'm only fucking doing this movie if I get to die so I don't have to do anymore of these goddamn things." "Our boss says we have to get you in this movie." "My death scene had better be awesome. Now leave me the fuck alone until you're done writing this thing." slams door "Well if he's not grateful for the opportunity in real life, maybe we can make it seem like he is in character. Get working on that 'it's all true' scene, Bob" I think the ending is also a "this is not the Star Wars I want" moment. The most cliffhangery cliffhanger of all time.