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pink · **Joined:** Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:42 pm **Posts:** 8450

corrections wrote:

The acting outside of the female lead ranged from average to incredibly poor (Carrie Fisher in particular was awful).

Really? I thought Oscar Isaac and Adam Driver were great.

ClashWho · **Posted:** Sat Dec 19, 2015 11:18 pm

pink wrote:

corrections wrote:

The acting outside of the female lead ranged from average to incredibly poor (Carrie Fisher in particular was awful).

Really? I thought Oscar Isaac and Adam Driver were great.

Ditto.

Dreww · **Posted:** Sat Dec 19, 2015 11:54 pm

spAdam Driver kills Han Solo. Lawful neutral gone lawful evil millennial kills chaotic neutral baby boomer dad he's hated his whole life?sp

corrections · **Joined:** Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:11 pm **Posts:** 27988

ClashWho wrote:

Star Wars: The Force Awakens - 7/10

First the good. The new cast is excellent across the board. I thought Adam Driver and Daisy Ridley were both perfect. John Boyega and Oscar Isaac both fit as well. I liked the moments of humor, which were very J.J. Abrams (that reaction of a pair of stormtroopers to a certain moment was laugh-out-loud funny). I also appreciated the various dissolves that were right out of the original trilogy playbook. And the retro look of a lot of it is great. The character design is phenomenal across the board, as well. Captain Phasma (speaking of which, I'm referencing with IMDB as I type this and I'm just now discovering she's played by the same actress who plays Brienne in Game of Thrones, holy shit) and Kylo Ren, in particular, but everybody, really. I totally believe Daisy Ridley as a Star Wars protagonist, just from her look. She looks the part, which is half the battle, but she has to play it, too. And she nails it. As does Adam Driver.

That said, I'm disappointed at what a rehash of A New Hope it is. More importantly, they did THE NUMBER ONE THING that I was afraid they were going to do. It's just too obvious. And cheap. It's cheap drama. And I saw it coming a fucking mile away, so it didn't even mean much to me. It just made me think, "This isn't my Star Wars. This is not what I want in a Star Wars movie." After that, I was just waiting for it to be over.

Two really minor quibbles: I like BB-8 a lot, but that pan-around camera move on his introduction was clunky. When you become aware of the camera, that's a bad thing. Even worse was the focusing in and out from Oscar Isaac to Max Von Sydow and back and forth again. Jesus, just keep them both in focus so I'm not thinking about a fucking camera! I'm not supposed to be thinking about a fucking camera!

Now for the spoiler shit:

Why the fuck can Finn fight with a lightsaber? Why the fuck would he last more than ONE FUCKING SECOND against Kylo Ren? I don't care how wounded Kylo Ren was. That said, why does Rey do so well with a lightsaber with zero fucking training? I mean, that's just shitty storytelling, full stop. The original trilogy was SO MUCH smarter than this. I mean, in Empire, do you realize they had Darth Vader fight Luke with one fucking hand at first in their epic confrontation? It's only after he realizes Luke is much better trained than he thought that he switches to two hands. That's smart storytelling.

And finally... They killed Han Solo. That's "THE NUMBER ONE THING" I was talking about above. That is fucking bullshit. Fuck everyone who let that happen. Now we will never see Han Solo and Luke Skywalker reunite. Why the fuck would we ever want a sequel to Return of the Jedi without that? Why the fuck would we want a series of Han Solo prequel movies, which are supposed to be on the docket, when we know his tragic fucking end? Killed by his own son, for fuck's sake! Fuck the new Star Wars!

That said, I'm onboard for the next one. Godammit.

Your spoiler points bothered me to no fucking end

corrections · **Joined:** Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:11 pm **Posts:** 27988

ClashWho wrote:

Dreww wrote:

question to all the people who love The Empire Strikes Back. What version of it do you watch? In my adult life I have only watched the harmy despecialized versions because I don't want to watch either the special editions or the non-anamorphic "DVD extra" versions.

I watch the original. I don't recall the special editions messing with it much, though, unlike A New Hope and Return of the Jedi.

There is some annoying stuff but it is the least obtrusive

corrections · **Joined:** Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:11 pm **Posts:** 27988

ClashWho wrote:

By the by, Star Wars sequel prediction for Supreme Leader Snoke:

Betcha he's really Yoda size.[/potential spoiler]

And depressingly I think Vil may have been right about him being Darth Plegius which would be fucking dumb

corrections · **Joined:** Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:11 pm **Posts:** 27988

pink wrote:

corrections wrote:

The acting outside of the female lead ranged from average to incredibly poor (Carrie Fisher in particular was awful).

Really? I thought Oscar Isaac and Adam Driver were great.

I thought both of them were fine but the writing for their characters interfered with their acting to where they weren't fully in it

Anpass · **Posted:** Sun Dec 20, 2015 5:41 am

of you lot, who has seen Driver's perf in hungry hearts?

Dreww · **Posted:** Sun Dec 20, 2015 5:56 am

Here's an operatic post I will regret tomorrow. If you authentically love Star Wars, I authentically do not want you to read this. This is strictly for the other jedis battling the dark side:

I like to think that my reasons for being aggressive towards Star Wars cultishness are grounded in my careful adherence to the same corny values that Star Wars films pretend to adhere to. The key is that the films are only made possible by the complete negation of those values in the process of making the films. This is why great directors by law never direct Star Wars films, because great directors by definition refuse to live in hell. In other words, it's all true--the force, the jedis, all of it--but irl it's the people on the dark side who get the film version of that shit actually into your theater for you to enjoy.

Anpass · **Posted:** Sun Dec 20, 2015 6:23 am

Dreww wrote:

[color]This is why great directors by law never direct Star Wars films, because great directors by definition refuse to live in hell. [/color]

yabbut, just think how good they would be if they were directed by a pro with black humour ... consider Robert Hamer's ill-fated career. He directed alec guinness in kind hearts and coronets. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Always_Rains_on_Sunday. someone like robert hamer (rip) directing SWs would be awesome.

Dreww · **Posted:** Sun Dec 20, 2015 6:58 am

It would be amazing. I would be into Star Wars if anybody who wanted to make a Star Wars movie with Star Wars characters could without anybody's permission and without having to appeal to the law of parody. A spiritual free-for-all like the oral poetry tradition in ancient greece. Until that becomes a possibility Star Wars' announcement of itself as the postmodern heir to mythology is basically the spiritual violation of the public by satanic cabals.

Anpass · **Posted:** Sun Dec 20, 2015 7:53 am

Dreww wrote:

It would be amazing. I would be into Star Wars if anybody who wanted to make a Star Wars movie with Star Wars characters could without anybody's permission and without having to appeal to the law of parody. A spiritual free-for-all like the oral poetry tradition in ancient greece. Until that becomes a possibility Star Wars' announcement of itself as the postmodern heir to mythology is basically the spiritual violation of the public by satanic cabals.

i dunno drewp. it is an impressive statement on the power of the american film industry. not everything has to be about art. it can just be about entertainment. how do you feel about jurassic park? same? most hated thing about a SW film? the wipe cuts.

http://deadline.com/2015/12/star-wars-f ... 201669166/

[Not related as such, but The Corsair was Byron's best selling poem. Sold entirely on the back of his fame. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... Id=4487368]

Dreww · **Posted:** Sun Dec 20, 2015 3:27 pm

Jurassic Park films don't have a culture industry surrounding them which present them as something which they are not. Star Wars has a culture industry around it presenting itself as the heir to mythic traditions.

Forgotten Son · **Posted:** Sun Dec 20, 2015 7:12 pm

It does? I thought it just had a big following of nerds who like to sperg out and craft reams of pant-on-head-retarded lore. It's little different to shit like Star Trek and Warcraft in that respect.

Dreww · **Posted:** Sun Dec 20, 2015 7:28 pm

Well my post is simplifying my possibly ridiculous conception of it a bit. My notion is that the people who go headfirst into the pant on head stupid lore, in doing that, are exercising a particularly valuable kind of imaginative-intellectual muscle. I don't like this valuable mode of consciousness and productivity being directed into pants-on-head stupid lore which these people are all aware is useless on some level but have a certain amount of community in order to convince them that it's okay to do even if it has no value other than fueling the libidino-economic junk circuit. In this way it is quite religious, the old new atheist line about "religions are so stupid that you have to return to them every weekend to reinforce the stupid power of the thing so that you don't start to question how stupid it is." The same kind of mindset which allows people to go full on into that mode of useless dithering is something that they could be applying to the actual authentic dying cultural mythologies. But they don't because of how media spectacle has convinced them that it is somehow communally okay to devote naive energies to this lumbering corporate culture piece of shit thing. Star Trek or Warcraft may very well be more pernicious or more responsible or more valuable co-ops of the same human potentials which are, I am convinced, totally wasted in the Star Wars universe.

The Game of Thrones version of this is not as pernicious since it encourages learning about actual history and religion, confrontations with otherness, etc.

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