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Author:  ClashWho [ Wed Feb 03, 2016 11:58 am ]
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Adequate Gatsby wrote:
Time Bandits

This film is a mess, but at the same time it has a plethora of compelling moments. The strongest element by far is the special effects. A devil like figure having organ pipes coming out of his head while swinging three cowboys around like a carousel has to be one of the most surreal and visually brilliant things I've ever seen. I can definitely see how this film has gained a sort of cult following simply by the amount of weird ideas and compelling visuals that it displays.

At the same time all those weird ideas never really seem to mesh to form a cohesive whole. From the very beginning, I never feel like we are given a proper introduction to any of these characters. It feels like this film skips over the part where we are supposed to get introduced to the members of this group, therefore it makes it difficult to care about there motivations or want them to succeed. Also, it never really sets up what these characters want in a satisfactory way. We get a kind of half-idea that they are after treasure, but for what purpose seems to never be expanded upon.

Also the tone of the film never coalesces. At the beginning of the film it is going for a satyrical feel, but then we end up in Napoleonic times and it is just sort of goofy comedy. It feels like it wanted to be this grand adventure film, but it sort of just bounces between locations, without having each location feel like it is part of some wider plot building towards a climax.


I feel the same way. In fact, I couldn't even finish it.

Author:  ClashWho [ Wed Feb 03, 2016 11:59 am ]
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Dreww wrote:
fwiw, i appreciated AG's bacchanalian overtones


I got it. And I knew what you were laughing at.

Author:  Don-Alexei [ Wed Feb 03, 2016 12:57 pm ]
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pauldrach wrote:
Don-Alexei wrote:
Side-question: why is the film called Carol? I thought Therese was just as explored and interesting. And the film didn't feel like it was more from one point-of-view than the other.

It's about Therese's view of Carol. So, it makes sense that the film is called Carol, in that it mainly seems to portray Carol, albeit through Therese's eyes. That's also why the film really tells us much more about Therese in the end.

Right because there are many scenes where Therese isn't present so I was wondering.

Author:  Dreww [ Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:29 pm ]
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Sunrise
The first time I saw this it absolutely blew my mind, but I have to say I have not had very good luck getting into its groove since then. There are all kinds of films that are old which are problematic because they are old, but for some reason this one is really off the charts in the sexism and demonization of people who live in cities to a point where it's difficult to appreciate. The film was transparently a dishonest attempt to appeal to country bumpkins and reinforce their values, and that's a big part of what it's doing, and it's just extremely dislikeable in how simplistic and dishonest it is at doing that. It's also way way way too repetitive. I realize there's this influence from German Impressionism/Expressionism where the characters are meant to behave more like archetypes than like people, but George O'Brien's going from a spritely dude chasing around a pig to being a lumbering Frankenstein slowly and clumsily rowing the boat to being a goofball in front of the photographer... it all just doesn't work for me. A lot of the way things are shot is great--I really like how the mythic quality of these characters changes the way things are shot. The most amazing part of the film is that fever dream of the city you get with the Woman of the City does her dance, and a few other visions of the city. But overall I don't find it very interesting to look at anymore. Still a great film for those who have yet to see it, but no longer one of my favs.

The Crowd
Have heard this talked about a lot by people like Scorsese but have been putting it off because it has no decent video representation. Glad I was forced to watch it for school. It's a great film and definitely more people on this forum would be digging it if it had a decent release. One of the most inventive silents. Very weird tonally. It feels like it's a mix between The Great Gatsby and a melodrama and a Brechtian film of ideas. I never knew how to identify with this character. One moment he's authentically an everyman, and in another moment he's just a total moron. There's a shot in this which will make you doubt the only great shot in Billy Wilder's career, because it's basically a less good version of this iconic shot. The ending of the film is the best kind of cinematic brutality. Great film.

Author:  Adequate Gatsby [ Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:41 pm ]
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I've wanted to see the crowd ever since I saw a snippet of it The Story of Film: An Odyssey. I hope someone puts it out soon. Have you seen The Big Parade Dreww? That is another Vidor film and I think it really captures the whole feeling of World War I.

Author:  ClashWho [ Thu Feb 04, 2016 3:18 pm ]
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Anyone notice that Bone Tomahawk gets you rooting for genocide?

Author:  Sodacake [ Thu Feb 04, 2016 3:19 pm ]
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it mostly gets me rooting for lili simmons.

Author:  Led for your Head [ Thu Feb 04, 2016 7:24 pm ]
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I really want to see The Crowd. I know the shot you're talking about, Drew. The Apartment is still amazing, though.

Author:  Dreww [ Thu Feb 04, 2016 8:42 pm ]
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Jaws
This will never approach number one of all time status for me like it does for Clash, I don't think, but damn if this isn't an excellent film. Before now I had only seen it on a small tv; and really that allows you to appreciate certain aspects of the craft, but it's not what was meant to be. I just got to see it in a big room on a big screen, and it was incredible. The only thing missing was the crowd full of people who had never seen it before, screaming. What stood out to me this time is what a bravura director Spielberg was in his early days, which is actually most apparent to me when there are no special effects or sharks in a shot. Even the dolly zoom has been so endlessly repeated in pop culture that it will never feel as special again. I like the subtle effects, like the wipes that go with the people walking across the beach as Brody anxiously watches the ocean. And the single shot of Brody being approach on the barge by what is apparently the entire bureaucracy of the town is a virtuoso display of how to stage actors in space to communicate lots of information about the relationship of the characters without a bunch of needless cutting (the shot I'm talking about is around 6:55 in this video https://vimeo.com/94684923). The film is absolutely packed full of stuff like this; creative and inventive approaches to constructing space and time which only seem typical because they are so masterful. Watching this in the context of a New Hollywood class where we just got done watching all of Lucas's 70s films (and I've been revisiting other 70s films on my own) it's just remarkable how much ahead of the game Spielberg was, or probably more appropriately game-changing. We tend to focus on Jaws' importance for ushering in the blockbuster era, mysterious POV shots, and some of the flashier effects. But I think he really solidified what we think of as good mainstream craftsmanship. But even that is kind of unfair to the film; even though it's obviously a big commercial venture, this film has challenging distinctly 70s radical-filmmaking characteristics, like some genuinely Altmanesque scenes of overlapping dialogue and chaotic crowds. Just a very satisfying film. I was pleasantly surprised to enjoy it so much and look forward to seeing a few more Spielberg films over the next few weeks.

Interesting fact: Spielberg not nominated for best director on this film. The Oscars people are such fucking humanists.

Author:  Sodacake [ Thu Feb 04, 2016 8:49 pm ]
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have you guys seen the video of spielberg reacting live to the nominations that year?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mgrxvTdl-Q[/youtube]

Author:  Dreww [ Thu Feb 04, 2016 9:23 pm ]
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Don-Alexei wrote:
Slightly expanded thoughts on Carol:

some unique complaints here. I can't deny your experience but you have to know I cannot sit and restrain myself from quibbling with some of your negative points.

Don-Amichi wrote:
That said, I felt a little bugged by the script. For instance, Kate Blanchett's repeated line "My angel, flung out of space" sounded tacky to me. Perhaps this was done on purpose to show that what people say to each other, especially in a relationship such as this one, is often artificial, and what really reveals each one to the other is what they do and feel.

I think it's just that flamboyance which other people take to be affected is a big part of who Carol takes herself to most authentically be as a person. That's what's so moving about the line to me. It's so crazy in her particular way that it seems the ultimate intimacy. [Zizek is wrong about Derrida, but when he makes his point about Derrida he says something true: today we think we are all disenchanted and don't believe anything, but in fact we believe more than ever. We are afraid of how strong saying things like "I love you" sound because we secretly believe in the power of those words way too much. There's something about this operating in this line.] This "angel flung out of space" is the sort of thing that would be corny if Therese's boyfriend said it, but it's totally believable coming from Carol. And it's also totally believable as the ultimate aspect of Therese's fantasy. You can tell that part of her problem with her boyfriend is that she feels that she's just any other pretty girl to him. Carol authentically understands Therese as someone who was really meant for her, and Therese really feels Carol understanding her in that way, and this is a big part of what attracts them to each other.

Don-Alford wrote:
This is especially notable in the letter Carol writes to Therese, which seeps of condescension.

I'm not sure it quite overflows with condescension. It seemed to me a normal amount of condescension for a relationship with such a pronounced teacher-student perverse dynamic. I have had professors treat me with much more condescension regularly. Also people in romantic relationships, when they are more experienced about parts of life than I am.

Don-Alexander wrote:
Direction-wise, I sometimes felt the film was torn between a certain emotional detachedness, and a more overtly "lyrical" direction (the love scene for instance, which didn't feel as authentic as the eye-twitching foreplay). It made the film seem somewhat unbalanced. This could have something to do with the fact that the relationship between the two women is frowned upon and that all of their feelings have to be stocked up inside before spilling out everywhere.

You've answered your own question here. Part of what's great about the film is that it doesn't just handsomely tell the story. It radiates the contradictory energies of sexual repression down to the last little bit of its form and subliminal presentation.

D-A wrote:
On another note, I thought the music was turgid, badly used and often unnecessary. It sounded like the opening credits of Downton Abbey trying to sound like Philip Glass.

Yeah the music on this (as well as Mildred Pierce) has received some criticism from surprising people. I guess I can see why people would think so but I completely disagree. Every little swell in the score gave me chills.

District-Attorney wrote:
Another quick detail: I thought that making Therese a character with an artistic bent is a kind of easy way of making her more likeable. Like hmm she's a bit boring let's make her a photographer that's cool. It would have been bolder if she didn't have any obvious traits like that. I guess as she is a character who is unsure of who she is (and does seem to try to act "right" instead of doing what she wants - her ordering the same thing as Carol at one point), perhaps her taking pictures of people is a way for her to look out of herself and prevent her from looking inside too deeply (I am writing this as I am thinking along).

Now this is the most completely strange negative comment I have read. First of all, insofar as we are imagining ourselves going into a world and pretending that characters are actually real people for the sake of a film: I cannot relate even slightly to the idea that Therese is boring in any way whatsoever, and in fact I would say that the fact that she is a photographer is maybe the most boring thing about her. But I think it makes sense given the context which is twofold. First, in the novel Therese is a writer and in the film she's a photographer, and I think this emphasizes in both how the story is biased to her perspective, how it is kind of a third person limited type situation. Second, people who are nonconforming in their gender or their sexuality tend to also be more drawn towards creative fields. There's a lot of bullshit theorizing about why this is, but I tend to think that it's a direct result of repression. People who feel like they can't fully be themselves in the most normal outlets for people to be themselves create very personal values in other systems (such as artistic systems) so that they can have at least one space in life where they can feel like they are acting in accordance with something that is deeply personal to them. (This is why, btw, absolutist aesthetics are revolting to me if they present themselves as anything more than general tendencies.)


Don-Alex wrote:
Side-question: why is the film called Carol? I thought Therese was just as explored and interesting. And the film didn't feel like it was more from one point-of-view than the other.

I wonder if they knew the film would make its major market debuts around Christmas time.

Author:  wantabodylikeme [ Fri Feb 05, 2016 12:42 am ]
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:lol:

Author:  Adequate Gatsby [ Fri Feb 05, 2016 1:51 am ]
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Gate of Hell

Amazing colors. Not much else.

Author:  ignatious [ Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:02 am ]
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Adequate Gatsby wrote:
Gate of Hell

Amazing colors. Not much else.

Hey, I was going to watch this one. Had it rented on Blu ray but never got around to it. I was sort of planning on watching it as a movie to get sucked into when high, so 'pretty colors and not much else' might suffice. Sometimes I think I actually need that kind of 'shallow' sensuality to turn my mind/ego off for a bit.

Author:  Dreww [ Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:03 am ]
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Hail, Caesar
This is good. Probably the best Coens film just purely to look at. It's more a comedy in the sense that it's just a fun lighthearted movie, with a fully thought out world to enjoy living in, rather than something you laugh at. It is not like their usual comedies which are carried along by circuitous parallelisms in the dialouge. Instead it's carried along purely by the situations, the types, and the felt joy of filmmaking. All of the in-film tributes to other types of films are excellent, and some people are complaining that they aren't era-specific or "authentic" enough (ie the Busby Berkely tribute seems too cold, they were not perfectionists about aging or coloring the film stock to period) but I think this gives those scenes their own felt-agedness that is more psychologically true to the characters in the film than it is to us. Very enjoyable film.

also I have not seen The Big Parade, unless it's one of the silent films I saw on TCM one time when I was high and they were having a silent marathon

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