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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 8:34 pm 
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<3 adaptation man. Yeah I normally don't dig Kaufman that much, but that movie in particular I adore.

And yeah can't wait till the semester finally ends. It's not about like not having time to watch movies for me, it's more like I'm never in the right moodset and just thinking about other shit. If my mind is not concentrated on movie watching, I won't watch one.


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i think Kaufman is my favorite American artist of the 00s outside of Eminem, of any genre. i can understand the criticisms, but to me the ambition of his screenplays and the risks he takes draw me into him. and the attention to detail with every line of dialogue and how he weaves stuff together. his critics point out that below the surface, he isn't saying anything new. but to me, he doesn't have to. cause he's saying it in the most interesting way for me personally. its a craft > message argument i guess im making. he's taking all the conventions of hollywood filmmaking and turning them inside out and rearranging them. the fact that he isn't breaking away from those conventions gives credit to his detractors, but its a matter of how you look at it. to me, to work within hollywood as a writer (similar to how Eminem and Kanye work within consumerism and the role that media has in the music business) is where his brilliance comes out. it gets forgotten that Shakespeare worked within the establishment too and was and has been since a pop culture icon. i'm just always drawn to artists like that i think. probably the same reason i've continued to be a huge fan of Tarantino or Martin McDonagh or PT Anderson etc.

but anyway, thats all just my feelings. glad to see you guys like Adaptation (my personal favorite at the moment, although i flirted with Synecdoche being my favorite for a while).


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yeah for me idk it's just that, everything feels a bit too calculated and self-conscious for me to appreciate his work, even if they are very good intellectually stimulating ideas, which they have been. A lot of the stuff he writes might be personal to him, but they all still seem like fights just to seem fresh in Hollywood. It's probably why I like Adapation the best is because, even tho it's kinda complicated, it's probably his most simple work and seems very intuitive and "of the moment" literally in content when he was writing it


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I think that Adaptation is, first and foremost, an incredibly well-acted movie. I mean, when Streep gives probably only the third best performance in the film you know you've got some great stuff on your hands. But really though, even every little bit part is well acted. It's just a great and resonant acting movie across the board.

I also like how the themes of evolution, pollination, and sex mix in with the themes of adaptation and artistic creation... but all of this leads to an aspect about the movie that kind of puts me off and makes me uncomfortable, which is the Charlie/Donald/McKee dynamic. First of all, the part where McKee goes on a rant against Charlie is really just a big straw man against what movies without generic mechanisms are uniquely doing--it's not about "having nothing happening and thus being truer to life". That is a cliche about "serious art" that has been created by people who have no idea what they are talking about; the point of eschewing generic mechanisms in a work of narrative art is such a large topic that I can't really go into it here without being boring, but needless to say the film does not engage with this in any meaningful way but asks for us to believe that it does, and has convinced many people that it does, and this annoys me. Anyway, Charlie, who is trying to be a unique independent artist, hates the word "industry", is seen as cutting himself off from the history of narrative art, stagnating and balding in his own self-imposed prison of independence, removed from the cross-pollinating world of shared narrative traditions, which is represented by how we simply see him masturbating while Donald, who embraces generic methodology and "conventions" that have stood the test of time, thus is a part of the ongoing history of non-independent art, part of the cross-pollination of conventions, and thus gets a whole bunch of pussy. This whole aspect of the film is fascinating to some degree to see how it acts itself out, but I would argue that it is completely wrongheaded and I don't think anything could be further from how I understand great art to come into existence, and I fear having to go into class tomorrow and hear my professor (who strikes me as being incredibly intimidated by and hostile towards all non-Hollywood cinema or Hollywoodish foreign cinema) explain how brilliant it is.

As much as I dislike all of the things I mention above, I have to admit that all of those scenes are, indeed, incredibly entertaining. On the other hand, what the final 30 minutes of the film stand for (the self-destruction of the film through forcing generic conventions on it) are to my liking intellectually, but I don't find them at all entertaining to watch. Which is the point, but I don't find the point very entertaining, and the point isn't profound enough to make up for it. The ending with "Happy Together" and the flowers is good though.


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I got a Netflix Canada account recently so I'll be posting plenty more here.

Tenacious D in the Pick of Destiny
I like their music because it's ridiculous fun but this was just so low energy throughout and boring as fuck. You'd figure they'd go all out for the movie with big and stupid comedy, but this was the opposite.
4/10.

American Psycho
It was enjoyable although on a mostly shallow level as the satire element of 80's corporate psychopathy grew tired and repetitive by the end of the movie although moments like the business card scene had the psychological bend of something like Punch Drunk Love and were really inspired. I did appreciate it on a comic level since there were plenty of moments where I laughed in spite of the horror of the situations. But it stopped being fun as it reached a climax which is not how that should work. There was just an escalation in scale with the same elements you saw before.
6.5/10
Office Space
A satire involving the folks a little down on the corporate chain that generally had a fun tone throughout. Moments in the beginning involving cubicle life were definitely inspired as were moments after the metamorphosis like when Peter just strolls by Bill. It was much less enjoyable when the fraud storyline was involved and characters were flanderized, but nonetheless this movie did easily give me the sort of smile you get in seeing a triumphant character.
7/10



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Too many cliches? It's my first time dammit. Review my reviews.


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I think it's more the fact that you consider American Psycho rather mediocre when it's one of her favourites.


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Just being a drama queen Rudy :irish:


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Brilliant, brilliant movie. Mean Girls for the previous generation.


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 Post subject: Re: Last Film You Saw And Rate It
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Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade- More a comedy than an epic, but at least Spielberg finally gets comedy right on a big scale after 1941 failed. Connery and Ford make a great double act, and Spielberg finally starts to mature his daddy issues a bit. Which is weird considering how hilariously inane everything else here is. 3.5/5


I love this movie. The Indiana Jones films got progressively crazier and I actually think this one is almost as good as Raiders. Temple of Doom is the weakest of the trilogy definitely but I enjoy that one too, the only problem I have with that one is how incredibly annoying that woman was.

Anyway I haven't seen the Crystal Skull, but I'm curious because I have a feeling it's not as terrible as people make it out to be. All I hear about why it's so bad is how ridiculous it is.

Because we all know the Indiana Jones films have always been the height of realism.


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OH Boo! Actually, I've been making my way through the classics for the past couple of months... Beauty and the Beast has far more charm than Cinderella, that's for sure. LOL Gaston's a prick! Yeah wtf, it's hardly sexist. Even when Disney is being 'sexist' it's only really reflecting the social attitudes of the time in their adaptation, and depending on the audience, adds either a lot of humour or none at all (Snow White being released in 1937, well, obviously they'd refrain from injecting her character with much sass as opposed to say Meg or Princess Jasmine) so meh. They're just being accurate really.

lol why does this reply sound so serious, idk


Yeah, I think most people aren't too good at critiquing films made in a completely different era of understanding things. That's not to excuse some of the more questionable stereotypes found in old media. Though I can't really think of much out of Disney's output I would consider offensive. Especially compared to some of the old WB cartoons, you ever heard of the censored eleven? Holy shit man. Youtube that shit NOW.

Actually I discussed Dumbo with Dreww on AIM this one time and he gave an interesting and thoughtful defense of the crow scene.

It's much easier for people to go "OMG STEREOTYPE DISNEY HATES NIGGERS".


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 Post subject: Re: Last Film You Saw And Rate It
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I'd like to hear that defense.


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 Post subject: Re: Last Film You Saw And Rate It
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This is probably the most simply animated of all Disney's features, and at a perfect 63 minutes it's also the shortest. But what this little film lacked in budget it more than made up for with its virtuosity, pathos and creativity. This appears to be a very simple film, and in many ways it is (and that's a good thing), but I think many have confused this surface simplicity for altogether simple-mindedness of vision and lack of anything to say, which couldn't be further from the truth. Pinocchio and many other more beloved Disney classics may have slightly more formally complex and tightly propulsive narratives, but none of them have either as much mature characterization or as much probing insight into their themes as Dumbo, which also has the mark of being one of the few classic Disney films with a real and rigorous social conscience, an attribute that has unfortunately fallen prey to the (perhaps defensibly) fashionable tendency to accuse early Disney films of racism. All these charges are, in this particular case, completely invalid as, on the contrary, Dumbo deals with race issues far more maturely and truthfully than any number of still popular white-guilt Hollywoodizations like To Kill a Mockingbird or Guess Who's Coming To Dinner, even if it's possible that it did not set out to do so. I think the viewer who sets aside their preconceived notions of what a classic Disney film is supposed to do (charmingly entertain and maintain the status quo) and simply watches it as they would any other film will find that it, as an independent artistic object, has more in common with the warm social courage of Chaplin's classic era and the philosophical simplicity of The Red Balloon than it does with the privileged myopia of most other Disney films. Unfortunately I haven't really been able to find any critical evaluations that both place it in the latter tradition or successful debunk the accusations against it, so I'll have to do that myself. In my attempt to explain why I draw on lots of specific examples, so if you intend to watch this movie soon you may find some spoilers, though I think most of us have the basic idea of the story metabolized into our cultural knowledge anyway.

The film takes place inside of a restless and nightmarishly hierarchical circus, full of clubishness, superficial gossip, and traditionalist "dignity". Into this world a meek show-elephant named Jumbo is delivered her son, who she receives characteristically late and christens "Jumbo Jr." It is not long, however, before the freakishly large ears "only a mother could love" land him outsider status among the elephants as well as the nickname "Dumbo". Ostracized, Dumbo endures the taunts both of fellow animals and the circus's customers. A scene I found particularly moving was when Dumbo seemed to be enjoying the jeers of the customers, not knowing that he was being made fun of until his mother started defending him against it (no other Disney film I know has characterization as subtly insightful as that). Jumbo throws a fit protecting her son, and is locked up as a "mad elephant". Dumbo is left to his lonesome, enduring the taunts and exclusion of the remaining elite elephants. At this point a small circus mouse named Timothy befriends Dumbo under the promise of returning him to his mother; he compliments his ears as unique and scares the pretentious elephants up the tent walls and out of Dumbo's way. Timothy's plan is to sneak into the ringmaster's room at night and, by whispering into his sleeping ear, incept ideas of how to creatively turn Dumbo into a star within the surface, effectively climbing him up the social ladder over the pretentious elephants and his mother out of solitary confinement. The next day an elaborate trick which involves all of the elephants and stars Dumbo is planned. It doesn't seem to be going very well in the first place, but soon Dumbo appears on the scene, his ears tied shamefully behind his head, and things go from worse to worst as they rip open and trip him into ruining the whole show, embarrassing not only him but all of the other elephants who ostracize him even further because of the incident, and further still when their "dignified" leader learns that Dumbo has been lumped in with the clowns, the dregs of the show. After some visually stimulating but, for Dumbo, humiliating gags in the show, the clowns celebrate their success by getting piss drunk. When a loose bottle is accidentally dropped into Dumbo's water supply, the film suddenly takes a sharp stylistic turn. As Dumbo and Timothy satisfy their thirst they become more and more giggly, as well as more creative. Dumbo begins blowing square and staircase-shaped bubbles, which soon turn into mysterious Pink Elephants.

The Pink Elephant sequence is the most famous in the film, and yet its brilliance has somehow had its elbow twisted into being seen as a structural weakness. Pothead nostalgics speak of how cool and trippy it is, and film critics genuinely judge it to be just as great an animated achievement as that of any in Disney's filmography including Fantasia, if not the studio's single crowning achievement. This compliment, however, is almost invariably followed by the complaint that the psychedelic freak show does not "fit" the otherwise picaresque style of the film. Dear Film Critics: if you wanted to know why you are often considered to be playing second fiddle to the critics of literature and the fine arts, this kind of inane and brain-dead complaint is why. If you can't handle a single free-form digression in Dumbo, god help you when you have to make heads or tails of Hamlet's play-within-a-play, or especially the ever-shifting cauldron of style that is Ulysses. "The style must remain consistent throughout" rule went out at the beginning of the century. Get with the times. More important than just being theoretically hip though is the fact that if you've been paying any attention at all to the film's themes, this sequence is integral to the texture and message of the film at just about every level. From the very beginning, the film opposes itself in sentiment to the classically structured and traditional which it views as stuffy and pretentious. The Pink Elephant scene, which comes out of the bawdy bottom-crawlers of the clowns, shows Dumbo and Timothy's break from traditionalist ways of seeing. Their minds are opened by the Pink Elephants to endless creative possibilities--they can shift their shape in whichever direction they like, produce beautiful music and spectacle. Previously Timothy's plan for Dumbo's victory relied on working within the ringmaster's structure. The Pink Elephants have broken down those narrow, traditionalist walls and alerted him to the infinitude of conceptual possibilities.

The physical world, however, is not as free as the mind, and we must come down sometime and learn how to turn those abstract visions into pragmatic realities. Timothy and Dumbo wake up hungover in the middle of a tree and find themselves being taunted by a gang of black crows. And this brings us to the race issue. The film is famously decried as racist for the crows' characterization through supposed African American stereotypes. Before I get to that though, let's back up and look for any hints of a racial theme in the film up to this point. First of all and to get the obvious out of the way: Dumbo resembles an African elephant, while the others resemble Indian elephants. Secondly, earlier in the film as the circus train is chugging along, the frame strangely meanders away from the train to focus on a bunch of human workers alongside the tracks, singing a work song of servitude. They are all black. If anything, the film seems to be identifying with their social position, likening their essential slavery to that of the animals within the oppressive circus system. Fast forward to now, where we are suddenly confronted with undeniably African American crows. There are a few arguments as to why this is a negative portrayal. The first is that the crows speak in an African American dialect. Do I really need to rebut that one? If you think showing characters speaking in a certain dialect is proof positive of that portrayal being negative, it shows that you are a racist critic, not that it is a racist film. The second idea is that since the crows behave in a crude and rambunctious way they are therefore represented condescendingly. But looking at the film in context, it's clear that within this world, it is not the anarchic sensibilities of the birds that are derided, but those of the traditional, prim and proper elephant elite, which excludes and pushes out creativity with its stuffiness. When Timothy suspects that Dumbo has flown to the top of the tree, we see that it is only through the primal and intuitive nature of the rude and rambunctious clowns that Dumbo was ever able to fly in the first place. So the precedent of restlessness and dissent as a key to success has been established, meaning the crows are not seen negatively by behaving so. Now, it is true that the crows initially doubt that Dumbo could fly and do some teasing (though it's also pretty clear they are teasing Timothy and not Dumbo or his affliction). But the crows should not be blamed for doubting Dumbo could fly the way they can--they see elephants as prim and proper and bound to needless social rules; of course they don't expect him to fly. But when Timothy lays out Dumbo's history of ostracization they immediately identify with and sympathize with him, see him as one of their marginalized own, and fix to help him. Of course, Dumbo has blacked out since last night, and he has no memory of himself flying, and doesn't believe in himself enough to try it. The crows conspire with Timothy and come up with a typically ingenious trickster solution: to tell Dumbo that one of their ordinary black feathers is in fact a magic feather that allows him to fly. Long story short, Dumbo flies, using the same big ears that pushed him to the margins of society in the first place. But of course, he doesn't know that yet, he just thinks he can fly because of the magic feather.

Dumbo returns to the circus and is placed into a familiarly humiliating clown routine. He's on top of a phony-burning building that phony-fireman clowns circle at the bottom with a trampoline Dumbo is meant to bounce on, but he plans to break free of the same old routine and to fly away, upstaging everyone. He jumps, but in mid-flight the "magic feather" slips away, and Dumbo begins to plummet. On the fast descent into the hard ground Timothy has to convince Dumbo that he could fly by himself all along and the feather was only a way to trick him into confirming Timothy's suspicions. At the last moment, Dumbo veers upwards past the clowns, the ringmaster and the audience, transcending the narrow structure of the circus and basically making the impossible possible. He becomes the star attraction of a now bright and creative circus, and is reunited with his mother. But Dumbo could not have done any of it without the trusting friendship of Timothy mouse, the creative anarchic imaginativeness of the maligned clowns, or the trickster ingenuity of the marginalized but flying crows; it's the rare feel-good picture which manages to be socially apt as well as personally empowering. Add to this the fact of insightful and often hilarious characterization as well as simple but tastefully crafted animation and you have yourself nothing less than a masterpiece that can be enjoyed on multiple levels, all of them fulfilling.


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I very often can't stand Dreww's analyzations because I think he tends to look way too far into it and often completely misses the point of the film anyway but in this case he gives very good insights. I'd go as far as to say it's the best summary of Dumbo that I've ever read. So big props to dr00.

To me it seems that even the better critics always dumb down their reviews of kids films to a significant level because they snobbishly dismiss these films as having nothing about them worth deeply anaylizing which couldn't be further from the truth when it comes to a lot of Disney films.

I disagree with Dreww about How to Kill a Mockingbird though I never thought of it as a white guilt movie. Then again I'll fanboyishly defend that movie to the death because it's one of my favorite movies.


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127 Hours - 9/10

I'm pretty surprised not to see any reviews of this one here, yet... is it just not playing at too many theaters yet? Anyways, I really enjoyed this one; Franco's acting and Boyle's direction are standouts and the story serves as a pretty extreme cautionary tale/story of triumph. In it we see a bold adventurer struck by an extraordinary mishap and the physical and emotional degradation it causes. We spend 90 minutes with Aron Ralston (Franco) and watch as he descends from glee and utter euphoria to desperation, sorrow, and remorse with brief interludes of comedy and fantasy. The arm cutting scene maybe lasts 3 minutes or so and was kind of strenuous to watch (coming from someone who isn't all that squeamish). But overall it's a very solid portrait of a man driven to meditate on the path which has led to his odd predicament and the unbelievable will to live and care for others. Highly recommend!


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i don't think it's going to be released in Europe until early 2011.


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