If you have Julio (like I do in one league) run, do not walk, to make the trade

There's a significant chance that the Bucs, Steelers, and the Jaguars won't win a game this season. Then again, once the Steelers completely bomb their season they'll start showing promise again.

Eh Steelers will win at least one. Bucs should too (they've been a lot closer than it's looked). Jags though...may be the worst team of all time.

Steelers will finish closer to 500 than most people think.

hey, i feel you

Actually not very likely. The game will be over early.

Brandon Marshall thank you for being my fantasy receiver today.

they're changing it
http://www.theonion.com/articles/washin ... :1:Default

edit: also on a tangent,

hey corrections (or anyone who wants to answer, but i know corrections knows this shit), i know a few years ago we all (meaning everyone who pays attention to football) pretty much agreed to put Rodgers as the de facto "best QB alive" with Peyton, Brady and Brees still in the top tier but only as a conversation about 2-4. but can we legitimately re-start that conversation with how Peyton has played so far this season? i know it almost sounds absurd for someone his age to re-enter the conversation for "best alive", but maybe we crowned Rodgers a bit prematurely? not that he didn't absolutely earn that title. but other than the injury (where we all just took for granted that "oh Peyton is done, there is no way he's coming back from this as the same player") Peyton hasn't shown any reason that he ever should have been taken out of the conversation to begin with, has he?

i'm curious to know what your thoughts are.

I won't attempt a comprehensive answer, but Manning has more weapons around him than he's ever had which can't hurt

as a Colts fan, i don't know that i agree with "ever" (i mean, that mid-2000s Colts offense was pretty stacked). but i get your point.

i don't know if its fair though to take away credit from a QB because he has great targets though. we could easily have done that to any of those 4 QBs i mentioned at some point in their career.

I don't think it takes credit away to acknowledge that half of a completion is running a route, getting open and catching the ball. I think it contributes to the conversation of trying to understand how a guy his age has this kind of resurgence in results. It's no surprise that many of the great QBs in history are forever paired with their great WRs. IMO it's basically impossible to know the extent to which one's success is due to the other, and that says nothing of the line they're playing behind which itself can make or break a QB, or the threat of the run, or even the play calling/offensive coordinator. What I'm arguing essentially is that it's a futile exercise to try to definitively crown a greatest because there are just too many variables in this exceptionally team-based sport. But also imo Manning never left the elitest group of QBs to begin with.

oh yeah i totally agree with all of that. to me, the "best alive" conversations are just for fun, even if they are kinda silly.

Peyton is more situation dependent at this point in his career to a certain extent. His line in Denver is average to slightly above average right now. GB's is like those late era Colts lines (i.e. a raging pile of shit) and he probably wouldn't fancy playing behind it. Rodgers ability to throw accurately on the run and his athleticism are something that no one else really has. BUT. Manning is better than any QB I've ever seen at manipulating defenses and reading weaknesses. Thus now that he's got the weapons he has assembled with him he is able to wreak more havoc than anyone else in the league right now could wreak with these weapons. The only 3 who would have the potential to put up what he's putting up right now are those 3 mentioned. Of them I don't think Brees could do it. Too much of a gambler in him. Brady could most likely. Rodgers maybe.

And the injury was really the only thing that took Peyton out of the conversation.