I saw a hilarious article comment that said a drugged out/drunk Jim Irsay is still a million times better of an owner than Jerry Jones in a perfectly sober state of mind.

That's what I was thinking. How would you guys rank the best QBs in the draft? I don't really keep up with NCAA even though I should since my team drafts early almost every year.

Manziel isn't all theatrics. Mobility and improvisation are actual skills, not "miracle bullshit." His highlight reel won't be as amazing in the pros simply because the competition's better, but the fact that he was able to do that in college bodes well for his pro career, so long as he doesn't rely on it. Look at Tebow, playmaking ability was the only thing he had, and he was able to translate that to a pretty good winning streak. Manziel has that, plus actual skills. Accuracy is somewhat of a concern but that's relatively easy to fix, especially since he has made most of the throws at some point, if not consistently. Size is somewhat of a concern, but it can certainly be overlooked if the other things are there. Russell Wilson winning the SB last year has helped his cause.

Don't know quite as much about the other guys. Bridgewater is Andy Dalton on a good team and Geno Smith on a bad team. Probably the most "pro ready." A lot of people are worried about his skinny legs, but Montana had literally the skinniest legs anybody on the 49ers had ever seen, and he did fine.

Broyles is the typical prototype QB, who hasn't consistently played really good competition. He's in the discussion because of a big bowl game (kinda like Jamarcus Russell, though I'm sure he's not that bad).

Manziel isn't all theatrics. Mobility and improvisation are actual skills, not "miracle bullshit." His highlight reel won't be as amazing in the pros simply because the competition's better, but the fact that he was able to do that in college bodes well for his pro career, so long as he doesn't rely on it. Look at Tebow, playmaking ability was the only thing he had, and he was able to translate that to a pretty good winning streak. Manziel has that, plus actual skills. Accuracy is somewhat of a concern but that's relatively easy to fix, especially since he has made most of the throws at some point, if not consistently. Size is somewhat of a concern, but it can certainly be overlooked if the other things are there. Russell Wilson winning the SB last year has helped his cause.

Don't know quite as much about the other guys. Bridgewater is Andy Dalton on a good team and Geno Smith on a bad team. Probably the most "pro ready." A lot of people are worried about his skinny legs, but Montana had literally the skinniest legs anybody on the 49ers had ever seen, and he did fine.

Broyles is the typical prototype QB, who hasn't consistently played really good competition. He's in the discussion because of a big bowl game (kinda like Jamarcus Russell, though I'm sure he's not that bad).

I wanna pass on Manziel and Bridgewater. I just have a feeling that their type of play won't be successful in the NFL. Manziel reminds me of Pryor in a way. So far I've liked what I've seen from Blake Bortles and Zach Mettenberger. Too bad Mettenberger's injury will probably hurt his draft stock.

Argument was doing OK until the bold.

Actually poor accuracy in college is one of the best indicators of likely poor pro performance.

I exaggerated a bit when I said "all theatrics." Obviously Manziel has legitimate skill, but he seems like the type of flashy quarterback that has bust written all over him. And agreed with both of the things Corrections said. Tebow comparison was bad, and poor accuracy in college usually doesn't bode well at all for QBs entering the pros.

I really don't know who you mean, here. I don't see a correlation between flashiness and being a bust, at least going back to the late '90s. That's a cliche I've never understood. I don't watch college football as much as you and Crx, but from what I saw his accuracy wasn't that bad. From what I've read/heard it improved a lot his second year, which does bode well for him in the pros.

Yeah for some reason I forgot how that winning streak all went down. Take the bold out and I'll stand by the rest of it. My point is he's not a consistently inaccurate player; he's accurate when he has good mechanics, and there's examples of guys like that that both improve and don't (Newton/Cutler).

I like Manziel because I think he's a "dog" (in his own words) but I realize maybe not everyone here attaches the same importance to that (I would argue they should but that's a different thing). He just reminds me a lot of Newton, I guess, in terms of what the doubts were and what the hype was.

Well I would trust Corrections' analysis of his game over mine in this situation, as I'm a bit clouded by bias. I think Manziel's a bit of a prick and am sickened by how often I hear his name (or his idiotic nickname which was devoid of any creative thought. How on earth 'Johnny Football' caught on, I'll never know). I also soured on Manziel's game a bit based on his performance in A&M's bowl game (in the first half at least) where he looked like absolute shit. He ripped Auburn's defense a new asshole though, and looked impressive in that game, but a QB with average accuracy and a smaller build who relies a lot on dance performances in the backfield to evade sacks just has me a tad worried. And his likelihood to go to a shitty team with a not-so-good offensive line could mean a lot of pressure on the QB, a lot of him trying to dance his way out of predicaments, and a lot of interceptions/sacks etc. Predicting who's gonna bust and who's not is impossible though, so he could just as easily light it up in the pros.