With or without factoring in the decimated WR corps?

As a side note, they're now the #3 seed in the AFC, which, other than perhaps right after the KC game last year, I don't remember seeing them below the 1 or 2 spot for quite a few years during the regular season.

Yeah Gronk pretty much has the biggest gap between him and the second best player at his position in the league,

And possibly in history if he keeps this up.

Our O-line is junk, man. Kline, Fleming and Cannon are terrible, Stork is solid at center, and Mason has been a nice surprise. But having Solder gone has really, really hurt.

As another aside, what are the chances of the Panthers going 16-0 or beyond? The rest of their schedule is cake, but at what point will they get exposed?

Possibly to probably yes. Part of that is there are more well rounded elites at other positions. For example JJ Watt is really fucking great but he's not touching Reggie White for best defensive lineman of all time. Gronk is basically the best blocking tight end in the league and if not number one he's top five and he's also the best receiving tight end and it isn't particularly close. Most of the other great tight ends are kind of one or the other and even the exceptions like Jason Witten aren't quite as good at either as Gronk even in their prime. Health is really his only weakness and really that just seems like God saying "well can't have a perfect football player, better give him an achilles heal)

I still think you have to give Gonzalez's catch total a fair amount of credit, especially given the quarterbacks he played with. It's probably not that much lower than what Rice would have gotten with similar QBs. I don't remember his prime well enough to know about him as a blocker though.

Just talking some stuff in a poll, and I'll post it here:

The nfl just adopted the cfb way of doing things - top 4 get play-off's - right now, who's in, who's out and who's on the bubble?

Yeah, Cincy would be out because of dalton going down. Broncos would still be up for consideration because of the defense.

I really like corrections' rankings...ill state my case after work

And because Osweiler's outperformed Manning this year. I like Crx's top 3 and then I'd put the Broncos if Dalton going down counts. Agreed on Pittsburgh but could Seattle be considered after having a losing record through 10 weeks? And GB hasn't really done anything impressive since week 3.