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Author:  pgm [ Tue Dec 29, 2015 8:47 pm ]
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Eric J wrote:
Oh shit Chip Kelly got canned.


Oh. Shit.

I kind of figured only he could fix the mess he made.

Author:  pgm [ Tue Dec 29, 2015 8:51 pm ]
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Author:  corrections [ Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NFL.

Comfort_Eagle wrote:
Kelly-Mariota reunion in Tennessee when? Whisenhunt will probably be fired too.


He was fired like 6 weeks ago. They've had an interim

Author:  Paulie [ Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NFL.

pgm wrote:


amazing

Author:  Eric J [ Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NFL.

pgm wrote:
Eric J wrote:
Oh shit Chip Kelly got canned.


Oh. Shit.

I kind of figured only he could fix the mess he made.

I understand it if he wasn't willing to give up personnel responsibilities. On coaching merit it's weird to fire a coach after two 10 win seasons and one mediocre year.

Author:  pgm [ Tue Dec 29, 2015 10:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NFL.

Paulie wrote:
pgm wrote:


amazing


There's also this:


Author:  pgm [ Tue Dec 29, 2015 10:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NFL.

Eric J wrote:
pgm wrote:
Eric J wrote:
Oh shit Chip Kelly got canned.


Oh. Shit.

I kind of figured only he could fix the mess he made.

I understand it if he wasn't willing to give up personnel responsibilities. On coaching merit it's weird to fire a coach after two 10 win seasons and one mediocre year.


I mean, it's the difference between expectations and performance. He wasn't brought in to make the playoffs in one out of three years. He basically said as much last year when he said missing the playoffs was unacceptable and blew up the team. Fans agreed it was not acceptable and he's gone. If he'd kept McCoy, Foles, and Maclin, he might still have a job.

I had low expectations. I thought it was a transition year. He was bringing in his guys and there was going to be an adjustment. Maybe if he had said that it was going to be a transition year, he'd have gotten some extra slack. Also, if the team truly quit, then he definitely has to go.

Author:  corrections [ Tue Dec 29, 2015 11:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NFL.

pgm wrote:
Eric J wrote:
pgm wrote:
Eric J wrote:
Oh shit Chip Kelly got canned.


Oh. Shit.

I kind of figured only he could fix the mess he made.

I understand it if he wasn't willing to give up personnel responsibilities. On coaching merit it's weird to fire a coach after two 10 win seasons and one mediocre year.


I mean, it's the difference between expectations and performance. He wasn't brought in to make the playoffs in one out of three years. He basically said as much last year when he said missing the playoffs was unacceptable and blew up the team. Fans agreed it was not acceptable and he's gone. If he'd kept McCoy, Foles, and Maclin, he might still have a job.

I had low expectations. I thought it was a transition year. He was bringing in his guys and there was going to be an adjustment. Maybe if he had said that it was going to be a transition year, he'd have gotten some extra slack. Also, if the team truly quit, then he definitely has to go.


Well and there is the fact that very little about his personnel decisions made any sense and it sure seems like his success was awfully dependent on line talent already there which rapidly deteriorated and he had poor ideas on replacement

Author:  pgm [ Tue Dec 29, 2015 11:06 pm ]
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corrections wrote:
Well and there is the fact that very little about his personnel decisions made any sense and it sure seems like his success was awfully dependent on line talent already there which rapidly deteriorated and he had poor ideas on replacement


I mean, his moves made sense, they just weren't good. He wanted big players who would buy into his system. He was also trying to maximize value. His moves made sense in a vacuum, but they didn't work together because it hamstrung him. I suspect he would have drafted/signed/traded for linemen this year. It's not that hard to acquire replacements in the NFL.

Author:  Eric J [ Wed Dec 30, 2015 1:56 pm ]
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I don't know who's advising Cardale Jones to enter the draft but that's a terrible idea.

Author:  corrections [ Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NFL.

pgm wrote:
corrections wrote:
Well and there is the fact that very little about his personnel decisions made any sense and it sure seems like his success was awfully dependent on line talent already there which rapidly deteriorated and he had poor ideas on replacement


I mean, his moves made sense, they just weren't good. He wanted big players who would buy into his system. He was also trying to maximize value. His moves made sense in a vacuum, but they didn't work together because it hamstrung him. I suspect he would have drafted/signed/traded for linemen this year. It's not that hard to acquire replacements in the NFL.


What?

In particular my buddy estimates that there are maybe 15 to 20 guys in the NFL who can play left tackle an acceptable level (and one of those guys the Eagles have but is rapidly deteriorating). Kelly's system is designed to make that matter less somewhat with quick throws but the problem is the limited number of looks are really easy for great defenders to key on.

Author:  corrections [ Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:16 pm ]
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Eric J wrote:
I don't know who's advising Cardale Jones to enter the draft but that's a terrible idea.


I wouldn't mind him as a project QB behind Romo

Author:  pgm [ Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:15 am ]
Post subject:  Re: NFL.

corrections wrote:
pgm wrote:
corrections wrote:
Well and there is the fact that very little about his personnel decisions made any sense and it sure seems like his success was awfully dependent on line talent already there which rapidly deteriorated and he had poor ideas on replacement


I mean, his moves made sense, they just weren't good. He wanted big players who would buy into his system. He was also trying to maximize value. His moves made sense in a vacuum, but they didn't work together because it hamstrung him. I suspect he would have drafted/signed/traded for linemen this year. It's not that hard to acquire replacements in the NFL.


What?

In particular my buddy estimates that there are maybe 15 to 20 guys in the NFL who can play left tackle an acceptable level (and one of those guys the Eagles have but is rapidly deteriorating). Kelly's system is designed to make that matter less somewhat with quick throws but the problem is the limited number of looks are really easy for great defenders to key on.


Left tackle is the tough one. But you can get another quality lineman at any point in the first round. You can also trade draft picks, if need be. And players get cut for salary reasons constantly because of the hard cap. The Eagles O-Line wouldn't be in such bad shape if Kelly had spent any of his resources on one. But he had to spend it on skill players because he cut all of those.

Author:  corrections [ Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: NFL.

pgm wrote:
corrections wrote:
pgm wrote:
corrections wrote:
Well and there is the fact that very little about his personnel decisions made any sense and it sure seems like his success was awfully dependent on line talent already there which rapidly deteriorated and he had poor ideas on replacement


I mean, his moves made sense, they just weren't good. He wanted big players who would buy into his system. He was also trying to maximize value. His moves made sense in a vacuum, but they didn't work together because it hamstrung him. I suspect he would have drafted/signed/traded for linemen this year. It's not that hard to acquire replacements in the NFL.


What?

In particular my buddy estimates that there are maybe 15 to 20 guys in the NFL who can play left tackle an acceptable level (and one of those guys the Eagles have but is rapidly deteriorating). Kelly's system is designed to make that matter less somewhat with quick throws but the problem is the limited number of looks are really easy for great defenders to key on.


Left tackle is the tough one. But you can get another quality lineman at any point in the first round. You can also trade draft picks, if need be. And players get cut for salary reasons constantly because of the hard cap. The Eagles O-Line wouldn't be in such bad shape if Kelly had spent any of his resources on one. But he had to spend it on skill players because he cut all of those.


And he spent it on worse skill players (and in many cases objectively worse)

Author:  pgm [ Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: NFL.

corrections wrote:
And he spent it on worse skill players (and in many cases objectively worse)


The only signing I hated I was DeMarco Murray. I also disagreed with letting go both Maclin and Jackson, but it makes sense slightly because (a) Maclin was more expensive than some of the young guys and (b) he wanted big guys who fit his system. I disagree with that, but those moves individually and in a vacuum are fine, but both are inexcusable. Moving Shady was fine (esp. for defense). Bradford sucks, but so does Foles. A 2nd round pick is probably worth more than Sam, but I think he's better than Foles. Did I forget any moves?

In a vacuum, his moves are fine. Taken together, they're fucking awful. But if you view it as a two-year process, that might be ok.

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