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Author:  corrections [ Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:06 am ]
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Hang wrote:
Bones wrote:
Hang wrote:
No, they didn't. They looked like shit against Ghana. Ghana were pathetic in front of goal but USA never were in front of goal and couldn't hold the ball for 5 passes in a row. USA deserved to win by virtue of that they won and not much else. One result against a potential favourite isn't enough for Portugal to lose their shit and they're surely still favourites to beat Ghana and USA. It's not a foregone conclusion, a draw could happen, a loss could happen, but they've still got some of the best in the world and the USA don't.

Possession is overrated. They still won the game with all the attacks they took. Ghana were poor in front of goal but you can't put that on the US. That's their own problem. The US defended well when they had too. Portugal did indeed play a world class team but that isn't why I'm writing them off. I'm writing them off because of the way they played. From the starting whistle they were unorganized, sloppy and careless. And their two best defenders won't be available for god knows how long. I don't see a very good outcome for Portugal this year regardless whether they even get anymore points.


Did I even say anything about possession? I said USA deserved to win (because they did). Possession is overrated if you don't do anything with it but Portugal have enough quality to do something with it. They might be sloppy at the back (no doubt) but USA had not a lot going forward, their defence held together well, but like you said, Ghana were terrible in front of goal, you even say "that had nothing to do with USA" - well, that doesn't bode well for them either. If your opposition doesn't score, you surely want it to be because of you! Portugal will definitely score goals against USA, whether they can take their chances with as little opportunity as they had today will be whether they can get a result.


Isn't this partially because the US got a lead so early though and clearly weren't heavily on the attack?

Author:  pgm [ Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:28 am ]
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Hang wrote:
I didn't think the match was that bad, admittedly I wasn't paying full attention to it, but for a 0-0 it was a pretty wide open match. Iran didn't have a whole lot going forward and Nigeria were a bit tentative but it wasn't that boring.


It was wide open, but it was so sloppy. Every time there was a play developing, there would be a really terrible pass--or worse, a perfectly fine pass that was just missed.

Author:  Anpass [ Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:38 am ]
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corrections wrote:
Isn't this partially because the US got a lead so early though and clearly weren't heavily on the attack?
I would agree with this. They played conservatively.

Author:  jumpman8828 [ Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:47 am ]
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loved this comment on a Grantland article

Quote:
John Brooks headed in the winner from a corner kick, which itself was won by Fabian Johnson. Jermaine Jones was an absolute workhorse in midfield, as well.

God bless our Military-Industrial Complex.

Author:  Avery_Island [ Tue Jun 17, 2014 12:29 pm ]
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Led for your Head wrote:
Eric J wrote:
Eric J wrote:
Where does Tim Howard rank amongst the goalkeepers of the world?


He's in the discussion for top ten, I'd say, but he is probably the most important keeper in relation to his team's success, if that makes sense.


Tim Howard is nowhere near the top 10 goalkeepers in the world. Good keeper, but error prone ad I know plenty of Everton fans think the media overrated him majorly.

Also Riyad is gonna score a hattrick against Belgium!!!

Author:  kosherrock [ Tue Jun 17, 2014 12:34 pm ]
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De bruyne is not very sharp right now.

Author:  Forgotten Son [ Tue Jun 17, 2014 12:49 pm ]
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I'm not surprised. He looks like he's suffering from heat stroke.

Author:  Georgi [ Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:02 pm ]
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Dark horses they said. Semi finalists they said.

Author:  kosherrock [ Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:27 pm ]
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ugh. felliani of all people.

Author:  Jess [ Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:32 pm ]
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Avery_Island wrote:
Led for your Head wrote:
Eric J wrote:
Eric J wrote:
Where does Tim Howard rank amongst the goalkeepers of the world?


He's in the discussion for top ten, I'd say, but he is probably the most important keeper in relation to his team's success, if that makes sense.


Tim Howard is nowhere near the top 10 goalkeepers in the world. Good keeper, but error prone ad I know plenty of Everton fans think the media overrated him majorly.

Also Riyad is gonna score a hattrick against Belgium!!!

Didn't he lead or almost lead the EPL in shutouts last season? What goalie doesn't make errors? Iker Casillas says hi. Who's in your top 10?

Author:  kosherrock [ Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:37 pm ]
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got pretty tired of Algeria flailing. they punched up today for sure, but I couldn't stomach them getting a result.

Author:  Jess [ Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:41 pm ]
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kosherrock wrote:
Georgi wrote:
That was so boring that I turned to ironing my shirts.


:lol: I took my family to the pool after the first 20...recorded in the event someone hit a wonder strike.

also the us' next opponent, Portugal, showed flashes of brilliance in build-up play. they worked two semi-decent chances in or around the box, but the finishing just wasn't there and ronaldo was taking horrendous shots. don't just look at the bottom line score, because the us isn't Germany. when you're looking at an opposition that is more talented you have to look at what they were doing right, and it wasn't all bad against Germany.

it's not a good match-up for the us if yesterday was any indication of how both teams will play. portugal's best bets were nani and Ronaldo going up the wings. the us looked best offensively when Beasley and Johnson came up from the wings in support, with the former not getting back quick enough to cover, and that's Ronaldo's side, and you saw the effect it could/should have if Ghana could finish. I just can't envision the states getting away with what they did yesterday when someone like Ronaldo has a clear match-up in his favor, as if he needs one.

That Ghana game wasn't indicative of how the US likes to play or their strengths. They couldn't match ghana's athleticism on top of their speed. How physically imposing is portugal? I know they have speed but that's not enough to mimic ghana's game plan. Michael Bradley played an atrocious game and had zero first touch ability for some reason. The US likes to run their offense through Bradley and I think that's when theyre at their best. Bradley had been playing really well up until last night. I don't foresee him squandering so much possession and making so many unforced errors again. So I don't think portugal's matchup advantages are as big as you think. And Portugal may be without 2 of their best defenders.

Author:  Eric J [ Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:52 pm ]
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Led for your Head wrote:
Eric J wrote:
Eric J wrote:
Where does Tim Howard rank amongst the goalkeepers of the world?


He's in the discussion for top ten, I'd say, but he is probably the most important keeper in relation to his team's success, if that makes sense.

Yeah it does. Seems like every game I've seen U.S.A. win I go away thinking, "Man thank God for our goalie" (that's why I asked the question).

Author:  chicken sandwich [ Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:54 pm ]
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Also fwiw our backup Brad Guzman might be even better, or at least is better in some regards.

Author:  Jess [ Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:57 pm ]
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kosherrock wrote:
Jess wrote:
kosherrock wrote:
he's an upgrade to jozy for sure. Bradley just needs to be the guy making the final
pass because bedoya isn't good enough to make the necessary passes.

What has johansson shown that Jozy hasn't?


over the last year? that he can score. jozy has Torres syndrome...like no matter what the opportunity, he won't put the ball in the net. he had a golden opportunity and shot the ball directly into the only half of the goal that was being covered. he's a clown.

Jozy had a scoring drought for 6 months. But he scored as many goals against Nigeria 2 weeks ago as johansson has scored in total in his ten or so caps. Every striker has droughts. To focus on the drought is just an arbitrary assessment of a player. And against a team like Ghana you'd be crazy to want johansson on the field more than Jozy. Yeah he should have buried that shot. So what? Everyone does that. Everyone misses those shots some times. And that wasn't as simple a shot as Torres' flub. He had a split second to place the ball and chose wrong. Plus it's a lot easier for us to place a shot when we're watching from an aerial view. I don't get why a striker can get so much crap for that when they have a totally different view of the field in general and so sometimes deserve the benefit of the doubt. Torres just fucked up though. Calling jozy a clown for that is nonsensical, especially since his wonderful sub did less in 80 minutes than Jozy did in 20. And Ghana had 4 or 5 such chances they fucked up before finally scoring. Germany had at least 3. Bunch of clowns I guess?

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