That point guard will be benched and whoever replaces him will be under orders to get the ball to that shooter, or he'll also be replaced. A coach can't let a player fuck the team up. And by the time a guy is playing in NBA Games he's already got plenty of confidence from succeeding at every other level.

you have an amazing confidence in other human beings to do the correct thing 100% of the time.


"succeeding at every other level" lol holy shit dude some of the guys are 19 years old. they succeeded at being tall and athletic.

again, there have been countless players who have struggled with confidence issues. just because you believe otherwise doesn't mean you are right. you are un-fucking-believable.

i feel like at some point i should state this super clearly so you can't possibly misunderstanding:

fuck. baseball.


i don't know baseball.
i don't know baseball players.
i don't care about baseball stats.
i don't know baseball comparisons.
baseball sucks.

i only know one thing about baseball, and that is that Tony Gwynn is definitely a better hitter than Aaron Judge and its not close. the way he swings that bat and it hits that ball and he runs, its just amazing. Aaron Judge couldn't hit that ball with anywhere near the ball-hitting skill that Tony "The Real Judge" Gwynn could. Tony Gwynn has hit more touchdowns than Aaron Judge could ever hope to. i once saw Aaron Judge punch an old lady because he was jealous of her hitting skills.

Actually, nowadays basketball sucks. It's just a battle of who can shoot and make more threes. Russell would be far less valuable today with so few inside shots being taken. The guys who lead the league in blocked shots now don't even have 3 per game. In 5 of the past 6 seasons the blocked shots leader was under 3 per game. Last season it was the lowest it's ever been, 2.27 per game.

So, give us some names of guys on this list of 100 Greatest NBA Players who have struggled with confidence issues.

why would i need to do that to begin with? the original question circled around great players helping their teammates gain confidence and thereby having an additional, non-quantifiable, impact on their team winning.

would you say you enjoy strawman arguments more, or moving the goalposts more? just curious

you are so right. you know what? its not even worth paying attention to this stuff anymore. let's both agree to leave this thread and not check whether or not the other person follows through on it, shall we?

Instead we should just cut things off after the 19-20 season and not count anything after that towards this list.

weird cutoff though. if anything, the last 2 seasons saw a comparatively lower increase in 3s made and attempted in comparison to early seasons in this recent boom like '16 and '18 going into '17 and '19 respectively.


historically, the cutoff you really want is '94 going in to '95 when they changed the length of the 3p line. even when they moved it back, it didn't matter. things have never been the same since.

or hell, cut it off after 1979 and you won't even have to worry about 3s at all

you know what, no half measures. cut it off before the 1947 BAA season and you won't have to worry about any of it. much nicer that way.

There were threes in the ABA though.

which brings up a good point, how much (if at all) should the ABA impact this list?

What do you mean "if at all?"

Why would it possibly have zero impact?

Clearly the overall level of play in the ABA was not as good as the NBA. Guys like Haywood, Hawkins, Erving, Gilmore, etc... dominated in the ABA to a much bigger extent than they ever did in the NBA, so it's not like the AFL and NFL where the AFL beat them head to head in 2 straight Super Bowls. But it certainly has to factor in some.

BTW, I was at the last ABA game ever, game 6 at Nassau Colosseum when the Nets closed out Denver for the title. Thompson had 42 and Issel had 30, but none of the other Nuggets did very much.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/bo ... 30NYA.html

Tim Bassett was the Nets 6th man. I later got to know him when he was working in Nets management in the 80s/90s as they played in NJ then at the Meadowlands and he was a regular in the record store I managed then in that area.

because this is an NBA list?

does the NCAA count? do foreign leagues count? do the Olympics count? does the original NBL count? does the WNBA count?

or is this an NBA list that contains only the NBA but also the ABA but only kinda...? what a weird distinction