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| Author: | Adequate Gatsby [ Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Books You're Reading/Books You've Read (review/rate it) |
I'm currently reading The Turn of the Screw. I am unsure of the story thus far because I haven't gotten that deep into it, but the writing is annoying me. Henry James uses a ridiculous amount of commas in his writing. It seems superfluos and makes it difficult to read. |
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| Author: | Chemical Ali [ Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Books You're Reading/Books You've Read (review/rate it) |
That was pretty much the norm for writing during that time period. Melville, and Dostoevsky use quite a lot of commas, too. |
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| Author: | pnoom [ Fri Jan 03, 2014 6:27 pm ] |
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Having just read The Sacred Fount—the only James I've read—I can note that in that work, the comma use is not superfluous. There's this halting start-stop rhythm to it, but there are a few places where this rhythm is broken, when the language gets swept up into a great flow. These always correspond to moments of emotional intensity in the narrator, and they are very effective. I have no idea if this holds true for The Turn of the Screw, and I admit that I found the rhythm jarring at first in The Sacred Fount, but I got used to it, especially after I saw the way he was using it. I just read Marcus Aurelius' Meditations and am about to complement it with Lucretius' On the Nature of Things (in a prose translation). |
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| Author: | Adequate Gatsby [ Fri Jan 03, 2014 11:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Books You're Reading/Books You've Read (review/rate it) |
I'll try to attune myself to that as I keep reading. |
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| Author: | Tudwell [ Sun Jan 05, 2014 11:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Books You're Reading/Books You've Read (review/rate it) |
I just finished John Gardner and John Maier's translation of the Sin-Leqi-Unninni manuscript of Gilgamesh, and it's incredible. Everyone should read Gilgamesh and this is a great, thoughtful, studied translation. Tons of annotations, a sizable appendix about the translation process, and a long introduction that gives a detailed overview of the work and its place in the various traditions it came from. Granted, I read a different translation before this one, one that flowed better and didn't follow every broken line or missing word, but it's nice to see exactly what is left, and the authors fill in quite a bit with references to and quotations from other renditions of the story(/ies). The most rewarding thing, I think, is witnessing the universality of the human experience. Five thousand years ago, people had the same existential fears and worries, the same terror of death. So regardless of how great the poem itself is (and I think it's quite phenomenal, especially as it's rendered in this translation), it feels like such a monument to the human spirit simply because of the time and place from which it comes and how easy it is, as a modern reader, to identify with all the same struggles. Now onto Pynchon's Bleeding Edge. The first chapter was quite underwhelming. |
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| Author: | Dreww [ Sun Jan 05, 2014 11:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Books You're Reading/Books You've Read (review/rate it) |
I was planning on rereading Gilgamesh as well but I just have the old Ferry translation and now I have to get this new one. |
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| Author: | Dreww [ Wed Jan 08, 2014 2:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Books You're Reading/Books You've Read (review/rate it) |
Yo AG what version of The Turn of the Screw are you reading? I am currently reading (and, to the curious, recommend) this version which is wonderfully annotated and supplemented, giving me a real appreciation for a story I had formerly and very unfairly dismissed (though I have some small quibbles with some of the biographical details about James). |
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| Author: | Snoogans [ Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Books You're Reading/Books You've Read (review/rate it) |
halfway through Wise Potato Chips Hoppin' With Flavor! So far, it's the funniest book I've ever read. Though right now everything's becoming really chaotic and convoluted for every character except ignorant-ass JR who I have a feeling will still be squeaking "hey boy that's all crap, holy, we can't get let em screw us…" until the apocalypse happens. Tudwell wrote: Now onto Pynchon's Bleeding Edge. The first chapter was quite underwhelming. It picks up, don't worry. That weird fragment chapter kind of threw me off, too. One thing I'll say about BL though is don't go in expecting amazing Pynchon prose. The dialogue is some of the best he's ever written, but the narrative voice is probably more hands-off than it's ever been. |
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| Author: | batman [ Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Books You're Reading/Books You've Read (review/rate it) |
Eats, Shoots and Leaves by Lynn Truss B+ For those that don't know, this is a very famous book about punctuation. I enjoyed the historical bits, and certain punctuation rules were portrayed interestingly, but I could have done without the cultural criticism. Her criticism of online writing struck me as particularly conservative. Simply put, grammar really is less important online and in text messages. Calling out someone's internet grammar unprovoked is as bad as correcting someone's speech in conversation. Although I do agree that people who get paid to write have no excuse when it comes to poor grammar, and it really does bother me when copywriters are so lazy. I mostly read it to brush up on my punctuation, and I think next time I will read something that's more straightforward and focused on grammar rules. The Grammar Girl blog is just as interesting and entertaining as this book anyway. Just picked up Bright Lights Big City at the library today and read a few pages, and I can tell I am really gonna enjoy this one. |
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| Author: | Tudwell [ Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:19 am ] |
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Snoogans wrote: Tudwell wrote: Now onto Pynchon's Bleeding Edge. The first chapter was quite underwhelming. It picks up, don't worry. That weird fragment chapter kind of threw me off, too. One thing I'll say about BL though is don't go in expecting amazing Pynchon prose. The dialogue is some of the best he's ever written, but the narrative voice is probably more hands-off than it's ever been. I'm more than 100 pages in now and I definitely agree with all that you've said here. The book's not knocking me off my feet, but it's nice to back in the hands of such a great storyteller. You can just feel the warmth, the love of story and of the characters in the story. I've never understood the criticism that Pynchon's characters are cold or distant - almost every page breathes with the enthusiasm with which Pynchon approaches them. If I have any qualms, it's that the jokes/puns/etc. usually don't add much to the experience and since the pop culture references are to a time period I personally lived through, I find them less interesting and more distracting. |
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| Author: | Adequate Gatsby [ Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Books You're Reading/Books You've Read (review/rate it) |
Dreww wrote: Yo AG what version of The Turn of the Screw are you reading? I am currently reading (and, to the curious, recommend) this version which is wonderfully annotated and supplemented, giving me a real appreciation for a story I had formerly and very unfairly dismissed (though I have some small quibbles with some of the biographical details about James). I got an old paperback from my used bookstore. I'm sure an annotated version would increase my appreciation and understanding. I might look into that at some point. For now I've moved on to One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel García Márquez. I think Latin American literature is my thing. Magical Realism is just fantastic. |
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| Author: | batman [ Wed Jan 15, 2014 3:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Books You're Reading/Books You've Read (review/rate it) |
Bright Lights, Big City by Jay McInerney Wow! I think I can honestly say this is one of my favorite books I have ever read. In fact, it's really causing me to reflect on my life. A+ please tell me he has another book as good as this |
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| Author: | beyonddeities [ Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:47 am ] |
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tell me more about this book batman |
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| Author: | batman [ Thu Jan 16, 2014 1:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Books You're Reading/Books You've Read (review/rate it) |
It's a book from the 1980s about a guy in his early 20s who is always partying and doing cocaine. He lives this mirage of a perfect life that crumbles pretty quickly into the story. It's unique because it is the most famous American novel to be written entirely in the 2nd person. Somehow the use of the 2nd person isn't annoying, and adds a lot of color to the story. I have never read a book that so accurately depicted the desperate emptiness of a certain type of night out. It's not the type of night out I usually have, but I have had quite a few of them. I'm not as over-the-top as the coked out New Yorker of the book, but I feel like I am really reading this book at the right time. Maybe replace his coke addiction with my internet addiction and I'm the main character of the story. It's time to spend more time playing music! |
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| Author: | Snoogans [ Sun Jan 19, 2014 7:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Books You're Reading/Books You've Read (review/rate it) |
William Gaddis - J R A I still think this is the funniest book I’ve ever read. It’s weird too, because, like Gravity’s Rainbow, its sense of humor only adds to the fact that it’s one of the most cynical, angry books I’ve ever come across. A quarter of the book, characters spend in a small apartment filling up with trash, stubbing their foot on “Wise Potato Chips Hoppin’ With Flavor!” and angrily answering phone calls for a multi-million dollar conglomerate a precocious sixth-grader (flunking math) literally cut and pasted into existence. J R corp literally gets too big to fail and, in some way or another, leads to the destruction of the hundred or so recurring characters in the book…and the US economy. I gotta say I was really happy it didn’t get sucked up into the same black hole that enveloped the end of A Frolic of His Own, the other Gaddis novel I’ve read. It was bad enough that about 30% of the characters, by the end, either end up dead, crippled, or completely incapacitated, but by the end there’s really a sense of…something. It’s not really “hope,” because really everyone is in financial and existential ruin, but a lot of the characters have this reinvigorated drive to live their life—even if it’s just to get back to where they began. And godbless little J R Vansant…despite all odds, that greedy little jerk really won me over in the end. Dallas Fort Worth – Broom of the System C- Well, at least I know where that angry “fuck metafiction!” vibe in “Westward the Course of Empire Takes Its Way” came from. For a guy who wrote at length about the coldness and laziness of the genre, his debut is one of the coldest, least-creative fiction experiments I’ve ever read. It’s really well written and has a capacity for philosophy and internal thought that honestly does impress me. When it came to words and overall style—and for the most part, this strange tone that only he had—Wallace really had that down by the time he was 24 (which never for a moment ceases to impress me.) However, over time, he was able to get in the heads of amazing characters with an empathy really unmatched by many writers of the past 50 years. I think starting to write nonfiction might have helped him a lot there. Hell, Don Gately, from IJ, is in my opinion the most well-drawn character in postmodern fiction. Here, every character starts out a caricature and spends the next 450+ completely flatlining. They’re basically used to stand in for a monolithic parable about how we can’t connect, yet the characters barely resemble “people” at all. I don’t care for them—and Wallace, with his wink and a nod shows us that he doesn’t particularly care for them either. ///rant: I don’t know, maybe I’m just bitter that posthumously, anything and everything Wallace wrote has been retroactively considered “genius” and shined up for canonization. Like I feel like an author I really respect is turning into this deified cult figure who can Do No Wrong, sorta thing. Which ultimately undercuts one of the reasons why I think he was a great writer: he took a lot of chances within his fiction, and not all of them land. And throughout his career, he kept making these stylistic and perceptive leaps that led him, over time, to be the guy that wrote Infinite Jest, the essays of Consider the Lobster, and the “Interview” segments in Brief Interviews with Hideous Men. But just thinking that this sloppiness somehow reaches greatness serves only to makes him more myth than man, something unattainable—which, btw, didn’t he warn about in that college address?? And the thing is I wasn’t even aware of Wallace until a few weeks after he died, I’d just turned seventeen, and Dreww posted a link to his 2004 essay, “The Host.” (One of his best, btw. Highly recommend if you haven’t read him, but are looking for an entryway, to start there.) So, in a way, I feel like by buying these books after he died—questioning whether I would’ve even known of him (or at least read him) were he still alive—I’m contributing to the same bizarre Dead Celebrity cult that turns an artist—who was once a goddamn, living-breathing person—into some sort of vague cosmos. Or at least a profitable, academic cottage industry. /endrant/// Despite all this, I’m really looking forward to The Pale King (should be coming in the mail any day now). I want to do with Wallace what I did with Pynchon: finish his biblio on latest book. |
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