Of course I'm well familiar with In A Gada and a few others. I said I wasn't an expert. I didn't say I lived in a cave
LOL
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| Author: | Negative Creep [ Sun Apr 29, 2012 6:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists |
Ssoyd wrote: Here's a different more up tempo version with Odum playing a Vox Teardrop Bass. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21yFiTOTDt0 That was absolutely spectacular....God damn! Odum may not be a technical wiz, but his rhythm and his whole SOUND is just astounding. |
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| Author: | StuBass [ Sun Apr 29, 2012 11:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists |
True...Bernard Odum. JB's other bassist around that time was Tim Drummond...and Tim was white...obviously not him, although Tim reportedly did play the original track on "Cold Sweat". Clyde Stubblefield played those patented JB drum licks... |
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| Author: | Negative Creep [ Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists |
Any other great bass lines from Odum besides I Got The Feeling? |
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| Author: | StuBass [ Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:32 pm ] |
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Negative Creep wrote: Any other great bass lines from Odum besides I Got The Feeling? "Papas Got A Brand New Bag" is Odum...terrific groove. My alltime favorite James Brown bassline is Tim Drummond on "Licking Stick". Check that one out. |
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| Author: | Negative Creep [ Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists |
I will definitely check it out Stu. In the meantime, how about Lee Dorman from Iron Butterfly? Sooooo underrated... [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYLBoAcRJWw[/youtube] |
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| Author: | StuBass [ Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists |
I'm DEFINITELY not your Heavy Metal expert around here Creep, but on that cut the bass (Dorman) filled the slots nicely and imparted some abstraction where voids existed. I will say that the relatively simple basic rhythm patterns in that type of song both necessitate the bass to throw some shit in, and it gives the bass the opportunity to deviate from the basic rhythm structure with harmonic exploration. I did find the organ somewhat overpowering the track, but I think that's SOP for that specific genre and going back to that era....please correct me if I'm wrong. |
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| Author: | Negative Creep [ Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:42 am ] |
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Is that the first thing you've heard from Iron Butterfly? Aside from "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida"? I don't know if I'd call them a metal band, though some do consider them 'proto-metal'. Check these out too... [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QB8Ic8SWlo[/youtube] [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDoWtqIGUjY[/youtube] |
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| Author: | StuBass [ Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists |
Of course I'm well familiar with In A Gada and a few others. I said I wasn't an expert. I didn't say I lived in a cave LOL
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| Author: | Negative Creep [ Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists |
Well I didn't know...  I think I actually prefer their first album ("Heavy") over "In A Gadda Da Vida". Be sure to check out those other links, especially Iron Butterfly Theme, which is very possibly the first metal song ever recorded. Killer bass on just about everything, imo. Dorman was easily the most musically talented member of that band. |
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| Author: | Ssoyd [ Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists |
Negative Creep wrote: Is that the first thing you've heard from Iron Butterfly? Aside from "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida"? I don't know if I'd call them a metal band, though some do consider them 'proto-metal'. What we now call Metal didn't exist in those days. Bands that played this kind of music were simply called "Heavy" or "Hard Rock". By the Early 70's the term Heavy Metal began to be used to describe bands as diverse as Iron Butterfly, Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, and Deep Purple. Eventually the Riff driven massive chord (and not Blues based) music of Black Sabbath had the most influence and followers spawning bands like Uriah Heep, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest and Motorhead which evolved into what today is referred to as Heavy Metal or just Metal. |
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| Author: | Negative Creep [ Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:54 am ] |
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Well yeah that's why I said proto metal. It was more of a precursor of what was to come. "Iron Butterfly Theme" sounds like metal to me though, just a very early and tentative version of it. |
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| Author: | StuBass [ Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists |
Metal, Heavy Metal, Proto Metal, Gothic, or whatever label one chooses...of course I've HEARD it...it just wasn't what I preferred to listen to (or play). Doesn't make any of it good or bad...just my stylistic preference |
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| Author: | Ariel [ Tue May 01, 2012 12:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists |
Glad to see a lot of activity here. I'll get more caught up tomorrow hopefully but for now strongly thinking 18. Jack Casady/Phil Lesh 19. Jack Casady/Phil Lesh 20. Cliff Burton 21. Stu Hamm 22. Steve Harris 23. John Deacon I know I already posted this, but I'm really becoming more and more definite in my opinion this is how it should go. No idea who wins between Casady & Lesh though and unless people want to post some epic performances by both I'll have to leave those two tied for the time being. Burton vs Hamm: Influence Burton Innovation Burton Creativity Burton Versatility Hamm? Skill Hamm Pretty cut and dry IMO. Hamm vs Harris Influence Harris lol Innovation Harris Creativity Harris (not by that much) Versatility Hamm haha Skill Hamm Bleh, Harris probably will take Hamm. Actually that makes a lot of sense now that I think of it. Hamm (now demoted) vs Deacon Influence Deacon by a bit Innovation ? Deacon by a bit I guess Creativity Deacon Versatility unsure I'll say Hamm for now Skill Hamm easily Deacon might jump Hamm too actually. Yay criteria breakdowns! (Still need to take intangibles into account though, criteria alone doesn't determine spots so this is all very tentative!) Cheers |
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| Author: | Ariel [ Tue May 01, 2012 12:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists |
Oh btw out of the next crop of players I have a hunch Barrett deserves #24 |
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| Author: | Negative Creep [ Tue May 01, 2012 9:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists |
Ariel did you check out the Iron Butterfly links on the previous page? Dorman is a hell of a player. I don't really know enough about Hamm to comment on him, but Harris was simply one of a kind. His tone, style, and feel are all his own. Nobody sounds like Steve, and I don't think anyone ever will. Personally I think he even takes Geezer for the title of greatest metal bassist. Not that it matters for this particular list, but I felt I had to just throw it out there. |
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