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Author:  StuBass [ Sat May 05, 2012 11:46 pm ]
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Coconut73 wrote:
I just joined this forum. I've been reading these past posts and these are really interesting discussions. I look forward to participating!


Welcome Coconut73. What we lack in numbers we make up for in passion. Some quite knowledgable folks around here. Please feel free to join right in.
Author:  Negative Creep [ Sun May 06, 2012 1:56 am ]
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There are certain posters who are aficionados of different things here.
If you wanna learn about bass guitar, you talk to Stu.
If you wanna learn about drumming, you talk to Classic Rock Junkie.
If you wanna learn about guitar, you talk to George.
If you wanna have a generally more open-minded view of rock as a whole, you talk to Sampson.
If you wanna learn about the oldies/Motown generation stuff, you talk to Bruce/Stu/Sampson.
If you wanna learn about psychedelia, you talk to Rick.

Oh, and if you wanna learn about Elvis, you talk to ME.
Author:  Classic Rock Junkie [ Sun May 06, 2012 3:25 am ]
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Negative Creep wrote:
There are certain posters who are aficionados of different things here.
If you wanna learn about bass guitar, you talk to Stu.
If you wanna learn about drumming, you talk to Classic Rock Junkie.
If you wanna learn about guitar, you talk to George.
If you wanna have a generally more open-minded view of rock as a whole, you talk to Sampson.
If you wanna learn about the oldies/Motown generation stuff, you talk to Bruce/Stu/Sampson.
If you wanna learn about psychedelia, you talk to Rick.

Oh, and if you wanna learn about Elvis, you talk to ME.


I wouldn't necessarily call Sampson 'open minded' view of rock. I love the guy and his posts, but he seems, at least to me, very US/western bias. Idk, but yeah those are the right people. Welcome to the forum? Play an instrument?
Author:  Negative Creep [ Sun May 06, 2012 4:27 am ]
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Classic Rock Junkie wrote:
I wouldn't necessarily call Sampson 'open minded' view of rock. I love the guy and his posts, but he seems, at least to me, very US/western bias.


I was referring more to being open-minded in what kind of music you listen to. Not sure if you're aware, but I've been on DDD since about 2002. It was him, more than anyone else, who really got me to open my mind and expand my musical horizons.
Up to that time, I was more or less a classic rock/hard rock "elitist".
Author:  Classic Rock Junkie [ Sun May 06, 2012 2:37 pm ]
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Oh yeah he's very good at expanding musical horizons, I agree with that.
Author:  Negative Creep [ Sun May 06, 2012 4:50 pm ]
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Anyone else think Glover is way too low?
Guy was sooooooooo underrated.

Fantastic groove when he wanted to show it, just listen to that jam section of Child In Time. Killer stuff.
Then you have crazy shit like his distorted monster bass in Fireball and No One Came.
He kinda got 'lost in the shuffle', so to speak, among the other hard rock guys like Jones and Butler, but Roger Glover was still an awesome bass player.
Author:  beaverteeth92 [ Sun May 06, 2012 7:48 pm ]
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Hughes even moreso. He's quite versatile, as evidenced by his funk and slap playing on "Come Taste the Band".
Author:  Negative Creep [ Sun May 06, 2012 11:21 pm ]
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Yeah Hughes is great for sure, but I feel that he is largely recognized and acknowledged for his talent, while Glover was seemingly lost in the shuffle.
Author:  beaverteeth92 [ Sun May 06, 2012 11:22 pm ]
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Much moreso as a vocalist though.
Author:  Ariel [ Tue May 08, 2012 12:10 am ]
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Ssoyd wrote:
Ariel wrote:

That's all for now, but I'd be happy to post more if anyone wants. Cheers. PS Burton's playing was also consistently incredibly expressive, rich and imaginative in Metallica's more 'normal' songs too (see Sanitarium, Fade to Black, Battery, Master of Puppets, The Four Horsemen for evidence!) Cheers


I'm sorry but I'm just not impressed. Use of distortion and effects cannot hide the fact that his bass playing was IMO good certainly but not exceptional. Maybe it's a matter of taste as I'm not into bass effects.


If I may, I do think it is a matter of taste in this case. I think the *way* he used distortion and effects was extremely imaginative and frankly unprecedented. Diff'rent strokes...

D.J. wrote:
I'm sorry Ariel but what made Lesh and Casady more innovative, influential and important in the history of rock bass of Deacon? Deacon's body of work could easily contain easily five or more great basslines in the top 50 rock greatest basslines ever, he's famous for his walking bass lines, his fast bass runs and and quick note changes which made his style playing so unique and recognizable.
Anyway I totally agree about the talent and creativity thing.


Might be taking a liberty here but IMO Deacon basically took after McCartney style wise, very similar style: subtlety & finesse, perfect note choice/placement, sophisticated harmonic counterpoint. What's amazing and speaks to Deaky's talent is he did it *as well* as Macca! No question Deaky is a musical genius and in the top, elite tier of bass creativity.

From what I've heard from people Lesh & Casady's approaches were like entirely new when they hit the scene, whereas IMO Deaky's approach was taking after Macca's.

D.J. wrote:
Any news about Saunders and Flowers embracing the top 100?


Flowers is basically a lock, I'll be surprised if he doesn't make the list. Not sure about Saunders yet. Thanks for bringing them both up, I think Flowers, at minimum, is a necessary guy for this list and it would be invalid without him on it probably.

Negative Creep wrote:
Ariel wrote:
Ahahahahahaha

hahahahahahahahahahhaah

This is ONE POST after you declared Steve this one of a kind creative genius hahahaha


I said he was unique, not necessarily creative. He's very distinct. I do think he has some creativity, but that Hamm performance really amazed me.


I fail to see how it's possible to be unique but not creative. Not trying to pick on you, just sayin'

That Hamm performance is a work of art, indeed. It's absolutely earth shakingly outstanding.

More epic Hamm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LSwiMapeFs

What do you think?

Yngtchie Blacksteen wrote:
I'd say that LePond is just as capable as Miller was, the main difference is that Miller would be more upfront with his playing, flashier so to speak.


Not impressed by LePond on the basis of 'Domination'. Any other songs I should check out? Thanks

Ssoyd wrote:
Heep is under appreciated because they got lost in the shuffle with all the great Hard Rock/Metal bands that were around back then. I saw so many great bands live in the 70's that I barely remember them all but 3 concerts stand out as the best, Uriah Heep in 1973, Deep Purple around 1972 and Jethro Tull in 1973.


That's absolutely awesome. I'm a huge Tull fan and from everything I've seen and heard (clips and stuff) they're absolutely deserving of their reputation as one of the top live bands ever in rock and Ian as one of rock's best frontmen ever. Was fortunate to see 'em in '05, Ian's voice sucks but man is he charismatic...great show

Coconut73 wrote:
I just joined this forum. I've been reading these past posts and these are really interesting discussions. I look forward to participating!


Welcome to the forum! Looking forward to discussin' w/ you :cheers:

Negative Creep wrote:
Anyone else think Glover is way too low?
Guy was sooooooooo underrated.

Fantastic groove when he wanted to show it, just listen to that jam section of Child In Time. Killer stuff.
Then you have crazy shit like his distorted monster bass in Fireball and No One Came.
He kinda got 'lost in the shuffle', so to speak, among the other hard rock guys like Jones and Butler, but Roger Glover was still an awesome bass player.


I'm perplexed at him being low too to some extent. I need to start buying some DP. I suspect he'll get raised. Thanks for bringing him up, good point about him being low.

beaverteeth92 wrote:
Hughes even moreso. He's quite versatile, as evidenced by his funk and slap playing on "Come Taste the Band".


Surprised Hughes isn't on the list already. I need to check him out. Song recommendations if you don't mind?

Also, he's aged terribly, hahaha

Ssoyd wrote:
More Uriah Heep with great Bass by Gary Thain. Tell me he doesn't deserve a spot in the top 50 at least.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xqszsnt2FTU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLCq9X1j ... =fvwp&NR=1

I'm sick of lesser players being recognized while Thain is ignored. The same is true of Heep, one of the best bands of the 70's.


Very impressed with the music, very good, thanks for posting, I should check them out, it's a shame they're semi forgotten

Not seeing the top 50 argument, but he's damn good. Post some more performances!

StuBass wrote:
Lloyd Brevett passed away Thursday at the age of 80. Brevett was a founding member of the Skatalites and is considered the Godfather of Jamaican bassists and Jamaican music in general...comparable to Louis Armstrongs influence on American Jazz. He has received numerous awards and honors in his native country. He was Phil Chens early primary influence.


Rest in Peace hero
Author:  Ariel [ Tue May 08, 2012 12:13 am ]
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beaver what do you think of my proposed re-ordering of the 18-24 spots?

18. Phil Lesh/Jack Casady
19. Phil Lesh/Jack Casady
20. Cliff Burton
21. Steve Harris
22. Stu Hamm
23. John Deacon
24. Aston "Family Man" Barrett

Something like that, that's not definite though, just a rough thought for the moment

Also Neg please check out the myspace link I posted on the last page! You'll love it, great GREAT GREAT late 60s band (the myspace page is a tribute which has some of their music on it)

Stu did Lloyd Brevett play electric/should I look into him for this list?
Author:  StuBass [ Tue May 08, 2012 12:55 am ]
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Ariel wrote:
beaver what do you think of my proposed re-ordering of the 18-24 spots?

18. Phil Lesh/Jack Casady
19. Phil Lesh/Jack Casady
20. Cliff Burton
21. Steve Harris
22. Stu Hamm
23. John Deacon
24. Aston "Family Man" Barrett

Something like that, that's not definite though, just a rough thought for the moment

Also Neg please check out the myspace link I posted on the last page! You'll love it, great GREAT GREAT late 60s band (the myspace page is a tribute which has some of their music on it)

Stu did Lloyd Brevett play electric/should I look into him for this list?


Brevett was an upright player who was instrumental in the development of SKA music along with Ernest Ranglin and others with their band The Skatalites. SKA was the 50's and early 60's forrunner to Jamaican Reggae, and everyone including Bob Marley was influenced by it. SKA took Carribean, Afro Cuban, American Jump, early rock and Jazz and came up with unique Jamaican sound. Family Man Barrett also claims Brevett as a major influence. I'd say that Brevett was to Jamaican bass what Cacho Lopez was to Cuban bass. Brevett should rank quite high on an all genre or upright bassist list.
Author:  StuBass [ Tue May 08, 2012 1:59 am ]
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OK...I think we're ready to move on boss. Let's not get hung up on the 20-30 slots too much, or by the time we get to 50+ I'll be in Hospice Care. As Marvin Gaye said..."Let's Get It On" lol...Failure to make a decision is making a decision to fail!
Author:  Ssoyd [ Tue May 08, 2012 6:10 am ]
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Ariel wrote:
Ssoyd wrote:
Heep is under appreciated because they got lost in the shuffle with all the great Hard Rock/Metal bands that were around back then. I saw so many great bands live in the 70's that I barely remember them all but 3 concerts stand out as the best, Uriah Heep in 1973, Deep Purple around 1972 and Jethro Tull in 1973.


That's absolutely awesome. I'm a huge Tull fan and from everything I've seen and heard (clips and stuff) they're absolutely deserving of their reputation as one of the top live bands ever in rock and Ian as one of rock's best frontmen ever. Was fortunate to see 'em in '05, Ian's voice sucks but man is he charismatic...great show


I actually like Ian's voice. He just wasn't a high pitched screamer which for me was a refreshing change from all the Robert Plant imitators.

Ssoyd wrote:
More Uriah Heep with great Bass by Gary Thain. Tell me he doesn't deserve a spot in the top 50 at least.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xqszsnt2FTU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLCq9X1j ... =fvwp&NR=1

I'm sick of lesser players being recognized while Thain is ignored. The same is true of Heep, one of the best bands of the 70's.


Ariel wrote:
Very impressed with the music, very good, thanks for posting, I should check them out, it's a shame they're semi forgotten

Not seeing the top 50 argument, but he's damn good. Post some more performances!



Thain was, IMO, a better more advanced bass player than either Harris or Burton and exhibited far more creativity and harmonic sophistication. It's not right to degrade him because in the early 70's there were far more great bass players than in the late 70's and 80's with which to compare. Harris and Burton may have stood out more because when they played more simplicity in bass playing was in fashion. Same with Heep who had more great bands to compete with. I believe this allows them to stand out more in your mind because you were fans in the period Burton and Harris were prominent while you are more detached from some of the earlier guys and the bands they played in.

As to the sound thing being a matter of taste that is true but IMO that really isn't about bass playing as much as it is about the ability to manipulate electronics and equipment. As such I don't think it should carry a lot of weight. If Thain doesn't belong in the top 50 then Harris and Burton certainly don't either.

You want more Heep examples. I posted about 8 already. How many do you need?
Author:  Negative Creep [ Tue May 08, 2012 8:42 am ]
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Ariel wrote:
If I may, I do think it is a matter of taste in this case. I think the *way* he used distortion and effects was extremely imaginative and frankly unprecedented. Diff'rent strokes...


It's funny. I used to agree with Ssoyd and I basically always considered Cliff to be overrated. But recently, I've come to really understand his brilliance and creativity.
It's not merely that he used effects, but even when he did use them, his playing was still VERY musical and melodic (Anesthesia, Orion).
I was headbanging to Anesthesia when I was like 15 years old, but only recently have I begun to really see what Cliff was all about.
He was phenomenal.
Oh, and those Metallica "remixes" with enhanced bass are a fucking revelation! Can you actually BUY the albums like that?

Ariel wrote:
I fail to see how it's possible to be unique but not creative. Not trying to pick on you, just sayin'


Just look at Keith Moon. :razz:

Ariel wrote:
That Hamm performance is a work of art, indeed. It's absolutely earth shakingly outstanding.

More epic Hamm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LSwiMapeFs

What do you think?


This guy REALLY knows how to phrase his notes. Damn.
Yeah I'll say he's more creative than Harris without any doubt.

Ariel wrote:
Very impressed with the music, very good, thanks for posting, I should check them out, it's a shame they're semi forgotten

Not seeing the top 50 argument, but he's damn good. Post some more performances!


Ssoyd definitely knows what he's talking about here. Totally agree with him on Thain, truly one of the most criminally underrated bassists in rock.
Also, you need some Uriah Heep in your life. I was fucking obssessed with these guys when I was about 16. Byron is also one of the most phenomenal hard rock vocalists ever.

Ariel wrote:
Also Neg please check out the myspace link I posted on the last page! You'll love it, great GREAT GREAT late 60s band (the myspace page is a tribute which has some of their music on it)


I just did, that was some great shit indeed. Especially the bassist, that's just impossible not to love!

And you should check my link on the Bass Performances thread. If you love metal, there's no way you won't love this.
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