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Author:  Bruce [ Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:58 pm ]
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StuBass wrote:
if you asked 100 people on the street if they know about ANY Soul Survivors song other than ETYH and sang the first 16 bars to any of them you would get NOT 1 affirmative response and that would include myself. If not Debbie Dean...how bout Chris Clark???...LMAO


And if you asked 100 people on the street to name one song by the Intruders you'd likely have zero correct answers.

People on the street don't know shit, Stewy, but if that's who you want to compare yourself to, I'm all for it.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrmEE1xr10s[/youtube]
Author:  StuBass [ Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:18 am ]
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Bruce wrote:
StuBass wrote:
if you asked 100 people on the street if they know about ANY Soul Survivors song other than ETYH and sang the first 16 bars to any of them you would get NOT 1 affirmative response and that would include myself. If not Debbie Dean...how bout Chris Clark???...LMAO


And if you asked 100 people on the street to name one song by the Intruders you'd likely have zero correct answers.

People on the street don't know shit, Stewy, but if that's who you want to compare yourself to, I'm all for it.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrmEE1xr10s[/youtube]


I'll take that bet...but so far as "people in the street"...they set the tone for cultural pursuation in our society, and I'm not pompous enough to believe that I'm any better than "they are".

Magnificent Men...Real good group as I recall. Had a hit or two.

Another similar group was Brooklyn Bridge, headed up by Johnny Maestro from the doo wop group, The Crests.

Of all the BES groups, I'd say that Rare Earth did the best, unless you throw in The Rascals (particularly The Young Rascals), and they were the undisputed champion group of Blue Eyed Soul, in sales and in popularity.
Author:  Bruce [ Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:27 am ]
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StuBass wrote:
Another similar group was Brooklyn Bridge, headed up by Johnny Maestro from the doo wop group, The Crests.



The Brooklyn Bridge had nothing to do with soul. They did not have records on the black charts like the Rascals, Flaming Ember, Soul Survivors, Righteous Brothers and others.

The Brooklyn Bridge was a combination of a doo wop vocal group (Del-Satins) with a 7 piece band from Long Island. They did not have a soul sound at all. Nobody ever mistook them for black.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLdeJEeQtsU[/youtube]
Author:  StuBass [ Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:17 am ]
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Worst That Could Happen was a hugeBrooklyn Bridge hit and got heavy airplay on the mainstream and R&B stations in Detroit. Their frontman, Johnny Maestro was lead singer in the doo wop group The Crests (16 Candles). Doo Wop was heavily Black influenced and Johnny took his style and moved it mainstream. PLUS...of all the groups we've discussed here, Johnny was one of the busiest and steadiest working performers from that era up until his untimely death a year or two ago. Johnny Maestro, like Lou Cristie were both quite soulful singers who emerged from the Doo Wop era.
Author:  Bruce [ Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:36 am ]
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StuBass wrote:
Worst That Could Happen was a hugeBrooklyn Bridge hit and got heavy airplay on the mainstream and R&B stations in Detroit. Their frontman, Johnny Maestro was lead singer in the doo wop group The Crests (16 Candles). Doo Wop was heavily Black influenced and Johnny took his style and moved it mainstream. PLUS...of all the groups we've discussed here, Johnny was one of the busiest and steadiest working performers from that era up until his untimely death a year or two ago. Johnny Maestro, like Lou Cristie were both quite soulful singers who emerged from the Doo Wop era.


Lou Christie had about as much soul as Johnny Crawford.

No R&B stations were playing "Worst That Can Happen." That's why it never made the soul charts. If it was being played by R&B stations, it would have shown up on the charts. It was a mainstream hit all the way, not an R&B hit. The song was done originally by the 5th Dimension on an album that was released in late December, 1967. Maestro heard the song on that album and that's when he got involved with the Bridge and was able to record the song and get Buddah to release it.

I saw Maestro and the Brooklyn Bridge live about 5 miles from here a year or so before he died. He was still real good. Even did a good version of "Gimme Some Lovin" that night.

Maestro was likely the best white lead singer in any doo wop group. The original Crests group was all black, except for him. Their first record, below, is a favorite of mine, from 1957.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_OsX2K-mv8[/youtube]
Author:  StuBass [ Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists
Bruce wrote:
StuBass wrote:
Another similar group was Brooklyn Bridge, headed up by Johnny Maestro from the doo wop group, The Crests.





The Brooklyn Bridge was a combination of a doo wop vocal group (Del-Satins) with a 7 piece band from Long Island. They did not have a soul sound at all. Nobody ever mistook them for black]


I don't know about you, but I never mistook hardly ANY of those groups for BEING black...only trying to fit into a black oriented genre. Rascals, Flaming Ember, Soul Survivors, Rare Earth...NONE of them ever fooled me into ever thinking that THEY were black. The exceptions that come to mind are Bobby Caldwell and the 80's group The Jets who actually sounded black.
Author:  Bruce [ Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:39 pm ]
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StuBass wrote:
I don't know about you, but I never mistook hardly ANY of those groups for BEING black...only trying to fit into a black oriented genre. Rascals, Flaming Ember, Soul Survivors, Rare Earth...NONE of them ever fooled me into ever thinking that THEY were black. The exceptions that come to mind are Bobby Caldwell and the 80's group The Jets who actually sounded black.


How about the Magnificent Men, Shades of Blue, Teena Marie, Timi Yuro and "One Bad Apple" by the Osmonds? "One Bad Apple" was thought to be the Jackson 5 in disguise, and was even listed as being by the Jackson 5 on several radio station surveys early on.

What about in earlier days, Bobby Charles, Johnny Otis, Joe Barry, Frankie Ford, and Paul Himmelstein?
Author:  StuBass [ Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:00 pm ]
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Bruce wrote:
StuBass wrote:
I don't know about you, but I never mistook hardly ANY of those groups for BEING black...only trying to fit into a black oriented genre. Rascals, Flaming Ember, Soul Survivors, Rare Earth...NONE of them ever fooled me into ever thinking that THEY were black. The exceptions that come to mind are Bobby Caldwell and the 80's group The Jets who actually sounded black.


How about the Magnificent Men, Shades of Blue, Teena Marie, Timi Yuro and "One Bad Apple" by the Osmonds? "One Bad Apple" was thought to be the Jackson 5 in disguise, and was even listed as being by the Jackson 5 on several radio station surveys early on.

Donnie Osmond???...Puleeze :lol:

I'll give you Teena Marie...Walker Brothers were also close...
Author:  Bruce [ Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:20 pm ]
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StuBass wrote:
Donnie Osmond???...Puleeze :lol:



"One Bad Apple" was a top ten soul chart hit.
Author:  StuBass [ Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:45 pm ]
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Bruce wrote:
StuBass wrote:
Donnie Osmond???...Puleeze :lol:



"One Bad Apple" was a top ten soul chart hit.


So was "Ode To Billy Joe" (#8 Billboard black singles chart), and Donnie Osmond doesn't sound any "blacker" to me than Bobbie Gentry LOL.
Author:  Bruce [ Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:56 pm ]
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StuBass wrote:
Bruce wrote:
StuBass wrote:
Donnie Osmond???...Puleeze :lol:



"One Bad Apple" was a top ten soul chart hit.


So was "Ode To Billy Joe" (#8 Billboard black singles chart), and Donnie Osmond doesn't sound any "blacker" to me than Bobbie Gentry LOL.


Donny Osmond was not a big part of "One Bad Apple." He was only there to imitate Michael Jackson. Most of the singing was done by his brothers. Every young black girl around here bought "One Bad Apple" and many insisted that it was the Jackson 5 in disguise. The record was written, recorded and produced by legendary soul guys George Jackson and Rick Hall.

You really need to get past your anti Donny Osmond bias and just listen to the record. I can understand if you also don't like the early Jackson 5 records, but if you do like "ABC" and "The Love You Save" you also have to like "One Bad Apple." The song was written for the Jackson 5, who almost recorded it before instead choosing "ABC."

ALL THAT MATTERS IS WHAT'S COMING OUT OF THE SPEAKERS.
Author:  StuBass [ Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists
Bruce wrote:
StuBass wrote:
Bruce wrote:
StuBass wrote:
Donnie Osmond???...Puleeze :lol:



"One Bad Apple" was a top ten soul chart hit.


So was "Ode To Billy Joe" (#8 Billboard black singles chart), and Donnie Osmond doesn't sound any "blacker" to me than Bobbie Gentry LOL.


Donny Osmond was not a big part of "One Bad Apple." He was only there to imitate Michael Jackson. Most of the singing was done by his brothers. Every young black girl around here bought "One Bad Apple" and many insisted that it was the Jackson 5 in disguise. The record was written, recorded and produced by legendary soul guys George Jackson and Rick Hall.

You really need to get past your anti Donny Osmond bias and just listen to the record. I can understand if you also don't like the early Jackson 5 records, but if you do like "ABC" and "The Love You Save" you also have to like "One Bad Apple." The song was written for the Jackson 5, who almost recorded it before instead choosing "ABC."

ALL THAT MATTERS IS WHAT'S COMING OUT OF THE SPEAKERS.


First off, I happen to like Donnie Osmond and his brothers going all the way back to their Andy Williams days. They were essentially a barbershop harmony group turned pop as they got older. Motown would have never considered OBA for The Jacksons for the simple reason that Motown had several writers/producers in house and in line waiting for a crack at a Jackson project.
True that OBA was in effect an answer to The Jacksons chart success...much as Pet Sounds was Brian Wilsons answer to The Beatles...but all that said...Donnie did NOT sound black. I don't know what you mean about Donnie not being a significant part of OBA. He sang LEAD on that song???...The Osmonds were NOT a "blue eyed soul" group. One Bad Song don't spoil the whole bunch though...
Author:  StuBass [ Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists
Bruce wrote:
StuBass wrote:
I don't know about you, but I never mistook hardly ANY of those groups for BEING black...only trying to fit into a black oriented genre. Rascals, Flaming Ember, Soul Survivors, Rare Earth...NONE of them ever fooled me into ever thinking that THEY were black. The exceptions that come to mind are Bobby Caldwell and the 80's group The Jets who actually sounded black.



What about in earlier days, Bobby Charles, Johnny Otis, Joe Barry, Frankie Ford, and Paul Himmelstein?


What about Al Jolson for God sakes...
Author:  Ariel [ Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:02 pm ]
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Don't waste your time Stu, Bruce is the widely-agreed-upon poster-that-should-be-banned on this forum. Seriously, don't sweat it. I'm sorry you're having to deal with this B.S.
Author:  StuBass [ Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:12 pm ]
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ariel wrote:
Don't waste your time Stu, Bruce is the widely-agreed-upon poster-that-should-be-banned on this forum. Seriously, don't sweat it. I'm sorry you're having to deal with this B.S.


LOL ariel. Bruce has just enough knowledge to be dangerous...but it's obvious he was never there. I don't mind educating him to the real deal and if anything he learns here sticks with him than it could be somewhat worthwhile, although I suspect that if a breathalyzer were required to log on to DDD, we'd not be hearing too much from him :cheers:
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