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Author:  Classic Rock Junkie [ Wed Aug 10, 2011 6:21 pm ]
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Human wrote:
but yeah, that's exactly my point, everyone knows these 4 guys while most of the bottom are completely unknown by people who don't follow the bands that they are in.

They all deserve a spot.


People don't deserve a spot for being known. Justin Bieber is known more than Bo Diddley now-a-days, doesn't mean he deserves a spot on greatest artists. They get the spot for influence among drummers, not popularity. All the drummers ahead of them that are unknown, or that I know little of, I know are either way more creative or more influential among drummers. Is Terry Bozzio a household name? No, but among drummers he's unavoidable when discussing rock drums, creativity, or skill. Other than Barker and Grohl, the other two barely get on there. I could easily name some drummers that aren't on this list that would knock them off.
Author:  Human [ Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:04 pm ]
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Classic Rock Junkie wrote:
People don't deserve a spot for being known. Justin Bieber is known more than Bo Diddley now-a-days, doesn't mean he deserves a spot on greatest artists. They get the spot for influence among drummers, not popularity. All the drummers ahead of them that are unknown, or that I know little of, I know are either way more creative or more influential among drummers. Is Terry Bozzio a household name? No, but among drummers he's unavoidable when discussing rock drums, creativity, or skill. Other than Barker and Grohl, the other two barely get on there. I could easily name some drummers that aren't on this list that would knock them off.


They do deserve a somewhat insignificant spot when they have a level of popularity that guarantees the fact that they have influenced more people than many of the people on the bottom of the list. You act as if there aren't many many more people who could be knocked off for having even less going for them than the influence these people possess and just lacking skill in general. There is.

Terry Bozzio isn't even an applicable example because we aren't talking about placements that effect his level (not to say I've seen anyone say anything about Justin's drumming that hasn't been harsh ridicule) we're talking about the bottom of the list, and the lowest placement that any of these people deserve right NOW would be for Joey, who would still be 120s, 130s at the worst (the highest being in like the 90s at best)
Author:  Classic Rock Junkie [ Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:54 pm ]
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Joey Jordison does not deserve any placement on this list ever. Period. There are at least 200 drummers in rock more deserving by this criteria, influence included.
Author:  Sherick [ Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:38 am ]
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Waiting to see a list.
Author:  forgo911 [ Thu Aug 11, 2011 4:06 pm ]
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to people who doubt jimmy's skill go listen to beast and the harlot. one of the best drumming jobs i have ever seen
Author:  Human [ Thu Aug 11, 2011 4:30 pm ]
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Sherick wrote:
Waiting to see a list.
Author:  Classic Rock Junkie [ Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:15 pm ]
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forgo911 wrote:
to people who doubt jimmy's skill go listen to beast and the harlot. one of the best drumming jobs i have ever seen


That songs not his best, it's really not that hard, it's just a good drum performance, it is really overrated, outside of the solo the song is really simple. However, it does show musicianship, and I'm not denying that he does have a ton of skill, which is better displayed in some of his other works.
Author:  lobones [ Sun Oct 02, 2011 12:01 am ]
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I think Mangini should move up now after hearing dream theaters new album he proved that he is one hell of a rock drummer and top 30 most skilled
Author:  Classic Rock Junkie [ Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:44 pm ]
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Mangini now definitely has the potential to move up, though his fault here is in influence, where Portnoy's been one of the major drum influences of the last 15 years, DT has a much bigger following now and almost all drummers know of him, if just for the myth of the man with perfect precision. Mangini could be more skilled, but right now I'd have a hard time judging the influence and innovation. He still has the creativity and skill to be moved up though for sure.


I also feel like opening this can of worms again, because I believe as long as we stick with the current rating system, this placement is justified: Bruford for number 1.
Author:  Yngtchie Blacksteen [ Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:56 pm ]
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Mangini's the guy from Extreme, right?
Author:  KeithMoonIsGod [ Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:33 pm ]
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Yngtchie Blacksteen wrote:
Mangini's the guy from Extreme, right?

He only played on 3 tracks on one of their albums. He's had a bigger career than just "the guy from Extreme"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Mangini
Author:  Yngtchie Blacksteen [ Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:24 am ]
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According to the list, he's still just the guy from Extreme.
Author:  mrsamtotheg [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:44 am ]
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ok I am admitting biased here ,but this list should see gadd on here somewhere he did do somework with rock guys like paul simon and joni mitchell ,paul mccartney , steely dan, and ringo starr , he has 3 songs in the greatest rock drums lists, he could have more arguably lets see him get on this list .
Author:  mrsamtotheg [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:52 am ]
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Classic Rock Junkie wrote:
Sherick wrote:
Likewise.


ignoring skill, why do you think Peart surpasses Moon? Moon is arguably as Influential as Peart, definitely more original (seriously, Peart is not original at all, as said in the opening list, he took what a lot of other drummers did and put them together to make a combined style, where as Moon was fresh and did what only he knew how to do, regardless of how imitate-able it is). Also Moon is nearly as creative, and had some very nice dynamic usage as well. Sure, he's not skilled by any means, but everything else he has is on par with Peart, if not ahead. Yes Peart is one of the greatest rock drummers ever, and easy top 10, hell, possibly top 5, but I can't see anyone unless they are pretentious and go only on technique consider Peart ahead of Moon, in which case if we have Peart beating Moon then why not Bruford beating Peart when he cleans the criteria?

Yes, Bruford is an easy #1 IMO



i agree bruford would mop neil peart, brufords heart of the sunrise is some of the greatest drumming I ever heard and I am a jazz guy, his rolls are clean, his linear FILLS are smooth and innovative, his dynamics perfect, and he has an ability to know when to lay off the kit , he never over drums , he definately would win against peart.
Author:  Ariel [ Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:02 pm ]
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mrsamtotheg wrote:
i agree bruford would mop neil peart, brufords heart of the sunrise is some of the greatest drumming I ever heard and I am a jazz guy, his rolls are clean, his linear FILLS are smooth and innovative, his dynamics perfect, and he has an ability to know when to lay off the kit , he never over drums , he definately would win against peart.


Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Either I'm completely retarded or Peart has never touched Heart of the Sunrise, or for that matter the Red album or the Discipline album
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